Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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Young Grasshopper

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The Southern side of Bakhmut is looking increasingly Ukrainian;


I can remember a time when Wagner was moving towards Bakhmut and everyone here said the city had no importance, now that Ukraine is making some gains, it’s now newsworthy



Ok great - now that we agree that Russia invading Ukraine is bad then we agree that it’s good to help them resist the bad thing, right?

No, I support a peace agreement. Zelensky clearly does not, and has passed a law banning peace negotiations with Russia. Guess he’s perfectly fine sending other peoples children into the Russian meat grinder as long as it’s not his.
 

fskimospy

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I can remember a time when Wagner was moving towards Bakhmut and everyone here said the city had no importance,


No, I support a peace agreement. Zelensky clearly does not, and has passed a law banning peace negotiations with Russia. Guess he’s perfectly fine sending other peoples children into the Russian meat grinder as long as it’s not his.
So you think invading is bad, and Russia is wrong to invade, but that Ukraine should give in to their invasion?
 

Roger Wilco

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I can remember a time when Wagner was moving towards Bakhmut and everyone here said the city had no importance, now that Ukraine is making some gains, it’s now newsworthy





No, I support a peace agreement. Zelensky clearly does not, and has passed a law banning peace negotiations with Russia. Guess he’s perfectly fine sending other peoples children into the Russian meat grinder as long as it’s not his.

I remember when Russia lost tens of thousands of men fighting for a city with no importance.

Imagine how newsworthy it will be when their sacrifice did nothing but shrink Russian borders.
 

Bitek

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I remember when Russia lost tens of thousands of men fighting for a city with no importance.

Imagine how newsworthy it will be when their sacrifice did nothing but shrink Russian borders.

All that blood only to hold a busted up mid size town for a few months... Putin is a master strategist
 
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Brovane

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I can remember a time when Wagner was moving towards Bakhmut and everyone here said the city had no importance, now that Ukraine is making some gains, it’s now newsworthy

It newsworthy because Russia spent 11-months+ trying to take Bakhmut and in less than 2-months Ukraine has liberated more of Ukraine than Russia captured in the last 12-months.
 

WelshBloke

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I can remember a time when Wagner was moving towards Bakhmut and everyone here said the city had no importance, now that Ukraine is making some gains, it’s now newsworthy
I have a shed in my garden. It's a bit run down and needs replacing and it's of no real importance but if someone moved in and started living in it I'd want them out.

So while Bakhmut may or may not be of strategic importance it becomes important because it has a foreign occupier that needs evicting.
 
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RnR_au

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After Bakhmut comes Popasna. So yeah Bakhmut in itself is not important, but Popasna is.
 

Racan

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Ukrainian modernized drones will hunt for Russian electronic warfare devices

"We have developed a modernization kit for Punisher drones that makes them resistant to enemy electronic warfare. Soon you will hear the news, we will talk about it widely. And we will provide the units with already modernized drones that can not only operate in electronic warfare conditions, but will hunt for Russian electronic warfare. So let the occupiers get ready, because for them this hell will not be a metaphor, but the near future," Maksym Subbotin, a representative of the UA Dynamics development team, told Ukrainian Radio.
 
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Perknose

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I can remember a time when Wagner was moving towards Bakhmut and everyone here said the city had no importance, now that Ukraine is making some gains, it’s now newsworthy





No, I support a peace agreement. Zelensky clearly does not, and has passed a law banning peace negotiations with Russia. Guess he’s perfectly fine sending other peoples children into the Russian meat grinder as long as it’s not his.
You post like a shallow fanboy. You do not do anything to promote your "side" here. In fact, your threadbare, boilerplate repetitions only serve to highlight how wrong you are. We should just ignore you as a hapless troll. But the FACT that you ignore the horrific brutality being visited on the Ukrainian people makes you a heartless, ignorant piece of shit. There is a special place in hell for ignorant fucks like you.
 

JTsyo

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I can remember a time when Wagner was moving towards Bakhmut and everyone here said the city had no importance, now that Ukraine is making some gains, it’s now newsworthy





No, I support a peace agreement. Zelensky clearly does not, and has passed a law banning peace negotiations with Russia. Guess he’s perfectly fine sending other peoples children into the Russian meat grinder as long as it’s not his.
Bakhmut had no strategic importance but since Russia made such a big deal of capturing it, now they can't lose it since it's a matter of pride. Ukraine can keep pressure on it to lock in Russian troops to defend it. That's troops they won't have for the southern front.
 
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fskimospy

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Bakhmut had no strategic importance but since Russia made such a big deal of capturing it, now they can't lose it since it's a matter of pride. Ukraine can keep pressure on it to lock in Russian troops to defend it. That's troops they won't have for the southern front.
It seems likely that Ukraine will recapture Bakhmut and if they do the rage and cope from Russia is going to be hilarious.
 

Jaskalas

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Bakhmut had no strategic importance but since Russia made such a big deal of capturing it, now they can't lose it since it's a matter of pride. Ukraine can keep pressure on it to lock in Russian troops to defend it. That's troops they won't have for the southern front.
Russians were throwing troops into lowlands, with Ukrainians holding hills on 3 sides.
Drones are destroying tanks, and cluster bombs are hitting the infantry.

Their desperation to hold Bakhmut is strong. Their tactics in doing so.... unwise.
Russia excels at blind and costly pushes.
 
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you2

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Russians were throwing troops into lowlands, with Ukrainians holding hills on 3 sides.
Drones are destroying tanks, and cluster bombs are hitting the infantry.

Their desperation to hold Bakhmut is strong. Their tactics in doing so.... unwise.
Russia excels at blind and costly pushes.
Well they have zip value in human life; also with the equipment lost....
 

K1052

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A lot more of these fuckers need to be shot down, they’re causing a lot of damage.

They don't have a lot left. Officially they started off the war with about 90 and have lost 39 frames so far that are confirmed so this is probably an undercount. The operable number is probably quite low now and the AFU is making a special effort to kill them.
 

K1052

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Well they have zip value in human life; also with the equipment lost....

AFU indirect fire is steadily incinerating the Russian inheritance of Soviet vehicles and armaments at a pace Russian manufacturing has zero hope of keeping up with. If we can keep Ukraine in PGMs (PGK, Excalibur, Copperhead, GMLRS) and unitary/DPICM 155mm. The laments of RU troops about this are basically everywhere now.
 

Racan

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They don't have a lot left. Officially they started off the war with about 90 and have lost 39 frames so far that are confirmed so this is probably an undercount. The operable number is probably quite low now and the AFU is making a special effort to kill them.

According to this article from The Drive (https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/enhanced-version-of-russias-ka-52-attack-helicopter-appears), they had about 140 of them before the war, and now they're producing a newer variant, the Ka-52M, with an AESA radar among other improvements.

Most of the Ka-52s were lost when they were flying above Ukrainian-controlled territory. Now they can sit behind their own lines and fire Vikhrs from 8 to almost 12 km away in a wide-open terrain. Pretty much an ideal use case for them. From public info, the Stormer HVM can detect helicopters from 8 km away and engage with Starstreak from 7 km, so it's at a disadvantage against the Ka-52, but they managed to get the drop on them this time.

My worry is that since the Ukrainian counteroffensive began, this is the only case where we have evidence that the Ukrainians managed to shoot down one of them and confirmation from Russian telegram channels, so the effort to kill them may not be going very well.
 
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