Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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Lifer
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Today I took a little tour around Twitter. It’s easy to to dehumanize Russian soldiers for their part in the war and call them orcs. But, looking at the dead bodies of Russian soldiers strewn about the woods and fields around Avdiivka - I’m struck by that fact that I have become numb to the horror of war. It’s easier to pretend I’m an accountant - tallying up losses dispassionately. Maybe it’s the only way to act if one wants to follow this war without becoming depressed.


I in no way intend to diminish the devastation visited upon Ukraine's people and cities. Nor those UKR soldiers who have given the last full measure of their lives protecting their country against a completely unjustified war. Just noticing my own thoughts and feelings and though it might be good to share.

I just want it to end. I accept the only way it's going to do so is with Russian forces driven out entirely, because they are clearly the aggressor (hopefully to be followed by the fall of a humiliated Putin - and everyone will just have to cope with whatever chaos follows that) but I can't take any glee in any of it, I just wish it would be over.
 

K1052

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I think my compassion for the Russians is somewhat tempered by the knowledge of what they have done and would do to Ukrainians if not opposed with the utmost lethal force available. The historical record of what a Russian occupation means is really frightening beyond belief in a way that's hard for a lot of us to comprehend. The scars of this is why so many central and eastern European nations are pouring every arm they can lay their hands on into Ukraine. They remember all too well.

I would prefer the Russians not die and that they stay in their own country. Since they have elected otherwise they shall meet the consequences of that decision on the field.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
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Today I took a little tour around Twitter. It’s easy to to dehumanize Russian soldiers for their part in the war and call them orcs. But, looking at the dead bodies of Russian soldiers strewn about the woods and fields around Avdiivka - I’m struck by that fact that I have become numb to the horror of war. It’s easier to pretend I’m an accountant - tallying up losses dispassionately. Maybe it’s the only way to act if one wants to follow this war without becoming depressed.
1: Given the Orc's purpose, they exist to expand Russia's Genocidal invasion of Europe.
2: Russian politicians / leaders proclaim they will not stop with Ukraine, Russia's Genocidal invasion will spread to every corner of Europe and Asia where USSR and Russian Empire once touched.

Russia's aims in this war are every bit as evil as Nazi Germany or Imperial Japan. WW2's worst atrocities have come again.

Therefore, I am not dispassionate with Orcs. I very passionately burn with hatred for their intended actions, and I want them all dead. Yesterday.
 

Leeea

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There was a photo of a Leopard 2 popping up on Russian propaganda claimed near Avdiivka.


Crossing open terrain with long sight ranges. The entire Russian inventory are just metal coffins when touched by a 120mm.
 

RnR_au

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K1052

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Putin loves a good attack. Even if it gets all his men killed and serves no real purpose whatsoever.
 

you2

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I wonder how many Ukraine soldiers and equipment was lost the past 4 days vs Russia? If we believe what we are reading it sounds like they had relatively minimal losses in exchange to this massive slaughter of the Russians...
 

[DHT]Osiris

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I wonder how many Ukraine soldiers and equipment was lost the past 4 days vs Russia? If we believe what we are reading it sounds like they had relatively minimal losses in exchange to this massive slaughter of the Russians...
Under trained, under equipped, ill advised and well telegraphed attack against an entrenched, technologically advanced, well equipped, well trained opponent? Yeah...
 

K1052

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I wonder how many Ukraine soldiers and equipment was lost the past 4 days vs Russia? If we believe what we are reading it sounds like they had relatively minimal losses in exchange to this massive slaughter of the Russians...

I'm sure the defenders incurred losses but the ratio has to be insane.
 

you2

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Putin loves a good attack. Even if it gets all his men killed and serves no real purpose whatsoever.
But does Putin love failure? One has to think so because he sure is getting a lot of that the past couple of years.
 

zinfamous

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Jul 12, 2006
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I think my compassion for the Russians is somewhat tempered by the knowledge of what they have done and would do to Ukrainians if not opposed with the utmost lethal force available. The historical record of what a Russian occupation means is really frightening beyond belief in a way that's hard for a lot of us to comprehend. The scars of this is why so many central and eastern European nations are pouring every arm they can lay their hands on into Ukraine. They remember all too well.

I would prefer the Russians not die and that they stay in their own country. Since they have elected otherwise they shall meet the consequences of that decision on the field.

My only sympathy is with that fact that Putin is clearly using this opportunity--that he created of course--to ethnically cleanse his own undesirables from within "Russia." I certainly don't think they deserve any of this and I'd wish that they just find a way to surrender when they get trucked off to Ukraine.
 
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Yeah, I get the impression that a lot of the meat being tossed into the grinder is the kind he would send to some remote prison farm somewhere. This probably costs him less and gets rid of them faster.

Word is nearly 1,400 lost in one day recently.

Most countries would fire commanders over that. He probably congratulates them.
 

Ajay

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Putin loves a good attack. Even if it gets all his men killed and serves no real purpose whatsoever.
The only purpose I can see is tying more troops in the NE so there are fewer men/material available in the south - which I assume is the greater concern.
 

K1052

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The only purpose I can see is tying more troops in the NE so there are fewer men/material available in the south - which I assume is the greater concern.

Russian sources indicate southward pressure has not lessened. I think the purpose is to make the boss happy.
 

Ajay

Lifer
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Russian sources indicate southward pressure has not lessened. I think the purpose is to make the boss happy.
IDK, it’s pretty much a zero sum 'game' at this point. Anyway, with that sort of strategic thinking Russia will surely win
 

KMFJD

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