Whaaaaat?Yes, it was created against Russia. It moved toward Russia. It did attacked numerous countries.
How you could be sure?
People like him are totally indoctrinated by lifelong propaganda. He really thinks that Russia invaded Ukraine because it was afraid of NATO.Whaaaaat?
It’s funny how when America invades Iraq it’s America’s fault but when Russia invades Ukraine it’s also…America’s fault.
If you’re going to be a big boy country then own your shit. Russia invaded Ukraine because it wanted to.
If you look at the prosperity that states who joined the west as opposed to the states that stayed in the Russian orbit it’s insane.No no, America sneakily manipulated Russia into attacking by....*checks notes* making eastern bloc and former soviet states join the EU and NATO thereby drastically increasing both their prosperity and security situations far beyond anything Russia ever had to offer and making Ukraine want the same.
I firmly believe that Russia invaded Ukraine because they have cultural similarities and Ukraine would show Russian people something better.And that is why western democracies will always be enemy no 1 to autocracies, defined alone by our existence. Peasants might get folly ideas about personal freedoms speech and happiness.
If you look at the prosperity that states who joined the west as opposed to the states that stayed in the Russian orbit it’s insane.
@Young Grasshopper @whyitso the reason why people don’t want to stay with Russia is because it’s ruinous to their lives. Russia is just a backwards, degenerate society that people want to get away from.
No no, America sneakily manipulated Russia into attacking by....*checks notes* making eastern bloc and former soviet states join the EU and NATO thereby drastically increasing both their prosperity and security situations far beyond anything Russia ever had to offer and making Ukraine want the same.
This is the thing that goes unsaid.How the per capita GDP of Poland and the Baltic nations diverges from those (Belarus, Serbia, Ukraine, Georgia, etc) who kept close to Moscow really tells the story here. Putin wants to keep you under his thumb and broke and now under the barrel of a gun if you aren't interested in that. Strange nations aren't beating down the door to align with him.
Do you think the fault of an invasion is due to the invaders or the people being invaded?This is not hard to figure out.
Russia invaded Ukraine because Ukraine never held up their end of the bargain with the Minsk 2 agreement, which was a peace deal between Ukraine and Russia. Ukraine continued shelling ethnic Russians in the Donbass, which is what the entire peace agreement was about. Ukraine never had any intent on implementing their part. This is now been confirmed by 4 former heads of state.
Putin gave plenty of warnings over the years, including one last one back in Dec 2021, and Ukraine/NATO told him to fuck off, and now as a result 500k Ukrainians are dead and they will lose a quarter of their country to Russia. Of course none of this would have happened if Ukraine just held up their end of the bargain.
This whole idea that this war started in February 2022 is just a fallacy.
It’s like the zionists who like to pretend the Isreal/Palastianian conflict started on Oct 7, and bury their heads in the sand regarding keeping Palestinians in an open air prison while chipping away at their land for the last 70 years.
It’s quite amusing there are people out there who support both Ukraine and Palestine. They will claim the Ukraine Russia war started in Feb 2022, but at the same time when talking about Palestine, quickly bring up Isreal atrocities in Palestine over the last 70 years.
This is not hard to figure out.
Russia invaded Ukraine because Ukraine never held up their end of the bargain with the Minsk 2 agreement, which was a peace deal between Ukraine and Russia. Ukraine continued shelling ethnic Russians in the Donbass, which is what the entire peace agreement was about. Ukraine never had any intent on implementing their part. This is now been confirmed by 4 former heads of state.
Putin gave plenty of warnings over the years, including one last one back in Dec 2021, and Ukraine/NATO told him to fuck off, and now as a result 500k Ukrainians are dead and they will lose a quarter of their country to Russia. Of course none of this would have happened if Ukraine just held up their end of the bargain.
This whole idea that this war started in February 2022 is just a fallacy.
It’s like the zionists who like to pretend the Isreal/Palastianian conflict started on Oct 7, and bury their heads in the sand regarding keeping Palestinians in an open air prison while chipping away at their land for the last 70 years.
It’s quite amusing there are people out there who support both Ukraine and Palestine. They will claim the Ukraine Russia war started in Feb 2022, but at the same time when talking about Palestine, quickly bring up Isreal atrocities in Palestine over the last 70 years.
Those elbows are going to leave a mark.I envision you with an erection poking through your crusty tighty-whities, shit-eating grin plastered on your mug, typing away and rocking back and forth in glee. Grow the fuck up.
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Well you havent cracked the abacus yet so it would seem its beyond *your* reach. Still, you are right by accident at least, it is in fact, not hard to figure out.This is not hard to figure out.
This right here is when Putin 'blinked'. And also why a member of the forums have decided to spam this thread with pro-Russian sentiments.Ha. You know how Putler: end your illegal invasion and genocide and fuck off back to your shithole of a gas station. Pretty straight forward really.
Yes, it was created against Russia. It moved toward Russia. It did attacked numerous countries.
How you could be sure?
Hello guys!
I see you're still living in your information cocoon. I recommend you to visit Ukrainian groups and chats sometimes, you would look at it all differently. But instead you eat what is shoveled to you by propagandists and Influencers.
What you can see in these groups now:
Insider UA (1,2 mil of subscribers)
A new comprehensive mobilization plan will appear next week - Zelenskyy
The president wants people to understand the full plan of action. So that people understand where they will end up: "From point A to point B, not just point A."
Comments:
Have you thought about stopping fucking with money, Mr. President? Or make it so that it is not fucked with
Fuck the faggots yourself😂
Zelja only after you !
What, are you going to take students to the front, you fiends?
What the fuck to fight with???? (answer from another person "with your dick!")
"I like that they pretend that people are afraid of mobilization. And people are afraid of their government abandoning them and their families after the war. Because they're spending money on Christmas trees while we're spending money on everything else."
"Don't you touch the kids!"
"Whoever screamed the most for the 91 borders goes, would that be fair?"
"Everybody understands that. Point A - a bus on the street, where four 2-by-2 meter bulls drag you in. Point B is a foxhole with no ammo or food."
Point A is the front, point B is the cemetery. It's pretty self-explanatory
I agree to honestly be in the same trench with Yermak, I will go despite my health. (Yermak - head of the president's office)
And why didn't he mobilize when the calls came, and now he's forcing people to 🤔 How many more guys have to die?
Negotiation, come on
The greatest Zeneralimus ordered to draft anyone
Point A - the 95th block of the whole neighborhood for starters, otherwise you don't have the moral right to open your mouth. (95th block - is is Zelensky's team that created his comedy TV show)
"Deputies and their children! They have all their assistants on the payroll, and there are a lot of them....
And they are raking boys from villages..."
Is kidnapping people on the streets part of a comprehensive plan?
You're already fucked up beyond belief, man.
Just enter, and check, it is all real and backed by a lot of likes comments. Check the comments in the closest posts, the mood is pretty same.
The most vicious, mocking and unrelenting Ukrainian channel. Only 125k of subscribers, but they are true internet warriors, they enjoy the videos of death of Russian soldiers and having a contest to see who can come up with the funniest comment. Some subscribers have swastikas, SS signs and other funny symbols on their avatars. Often they duplicate the text in English for their foreign fans. One of the amusements in the comments of the group is to identify a Russian visitor, ridicule and insult him, and ban after, often with freindly-fire.
And now even in a community as reckless as this, a heavy skepticism has settled in. Joyful news is viewed with suspicion. The blow to the orcs is too small. The result is not what is wanted. Officials are not trustworthy. The promises of last year are remembered. Suddenly they realize that the officials who deceive them are Jews!
Orcs have huge incomes, sanctions doesn't work, but theirs factories work, they produce missiles, drones, even North Korea gives them more at once than all allies of Ukraine! Where is our production, why are we waiting for handouts? - they ask.
Check it, check any bigger one Ukraine speaking community and you will find the same mood.
And what you won't find - is any fear of Putin's genocide. Anyone know it's bullshit to impress foreign donators. Yeah, he'll take the land and drag them into the Soviet swamp. Yes, deprive them of their independence. But he's not likely to ban the language. Nowhere do you find that fear. But there is a lot of fear that Zelensky will send all the youth to death, destroy any future of the country, and afterwards there still will be defeat and loss of everything.
And who do you think they will blame for the defeat?
1. Their corrupt government, who pursued an unprofitable policy of conflict with Russia for American money, led to a war they could not win because they were unscrupulous thieves.
2. The cynical foreign bastards who bought them for a handful of coins and screwed them over for years
3. Putin, the Muscovites, who have always been a contagion, but a familiar one, with whom it is clear how to live, on whom you can make money, whom you can deceive and pursue your interests
You will end up being the main culprit for Ukraine. Not Putin, who will pay pensions to disabled Ukrainian men, provide free education to their children and rebuild cities. But those scumbags who wanted to harm Russia with their hands. Propaganda will quote Lindsey Graham and similar figures to them many times and they will fight against the US one day if necessary.
I respect the USA for the development of science, for the James Webb telescope (which costs as much as an aircraft carrier), for the opportunities for people like Ilon Musk, for the contribution to the development of mankind, but your country in trying to keep the world hegemony and the role of the dollar, has done terrible things, lost all moral authority and continue to plunge the world into chaos. All of this will come back to you in a big way, rest assured
NATO was created to check the USSR.
Yes, NATO has attacked a few countries. Small countries without nuclear weapons or even air forces.
Because 1) nuclear deterrence is a thing 2) there's no reasonable explanation for why NATO would do this. Even if the USA wanted to it the odds of getting all NATO members on board for an offensive war against Russia are zero.
haha. nekulturny means "not cultured".@Young Grasshopper and @whyitso are nekulturny just like Russia.
Why should Russia bother if NATO is not going to attack a country with nuclear weapons? And why would Russia be hoarding forces there if the Baltics have been in NATO since 2004 (by the way, when Putin was still malleable and friendly with the West). Russia would not dare to attack NATO countries either, would it? Very strange report, I don't see the logicI wish I could offer you guys a vodka pickled egg in these trying times
“Russia has effectively lost its position of power and the capacity to threaten its neighbors with projections of military power,” Pavel Baev wrote in a November report for the French Institute of International Relations.
"Russia’s war in Ukraine has taken an extreme toll on its military and challenges its ability to maintain a large force on its western flank with NATO, the report said. The study argues that Moscow’s strategic goal of turning its military exclave of Kaliningrad into a launching pad to dominate the central part of the Baltic region “has effectively been canceled.”
"Whatever the scope of the outcome of the war, Russia will not be able to rebuild a position of military superiority in the Baltic theater or even to set an approximate balance of forces with NATO, which is implementing a new plan to strengthen its posture in this reconfigured direction,” Baev said.
*sad trombone here*
I'd just like to thank Putin once again for turning the Baltic into NATO's very own salty lake, oh and also for pissing away >50% of his military, that too was crazy considerate. We really appreciate that shorty.
Well, it's certainly true that you are not one of ours. Not with that Russian propaganda in your head.haha. nekulturny means "not cultured".
Bucha, you damn Orc.Am I calling for savagery and cruelty?
"Overseas warmongers?" The "overseas warmongers" in the US and GB tilted the balance that helped Russia from succumbing to Nazi Germany. Absent these, a one front war between Russia and Germany would not have ended well for Stalin.I would like all these overseas warmongers to take the situation seriously and as an adult, without portraying some as orcs, others as elves, thinking in fairy-tale images.