Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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Drach

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Now that's a record turret toss!
Bada Boom. Jaga Jaga.

The soundtrack should have been Metallica - Jump in the fire.
 
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kage69

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Sounds like the VKS is in need of more shitty pilots for their shitty aircraft. They've probably developed a healthy fear of NASAMS/IRIS-T/PATRIOT batteries by now. In a nutshell, ever since those 3 Fullbacks got smoked end of December, looks like Russian aircraft have almost completely ceased operations in the South of Ukraine.


"The UK Defence Intelligence suggests a possible link between the reduced air operations and the outcomes on the ground, stating a “realistic possibility that the lack of air support contributed to the failure of an attempt by Russian Ground Forces’ 18th Combined Arms Army to clear the bridgehead.”

Furthermore, the briefing indicates an increase in Russian tactical air strikes in recent days, although at “a lower level than before the shootdowns.” This observation points to a change in the pattern and intensity of Russian air operations."

So a lot less air support in those areas for Yuri and his convict comrades. Gee, that's too bad.
 

RnR_au

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Opps... more repercussions from the Almost Naked party...


I wonder how much he will pay to sit out his time in the rear or if that is even possible.

P.S - I have two one bsky codes if any of the regulars here wants a looksy. PM me.
 
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K1052

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This is what we call sending a message, especially since he was the only one arrested. The good times are over for the Russian elite and Putin is requiring their obedience in this.

Dunno why anybody with any skills or money would go back to Russia really even if you were friendly with the regime. Better to say in Dubai, Turkey, or basically anywhere else.
 

RnR_au

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Yeah the people are hurting and it will only get worse. The elites will have to keep their heads down. Even private parties are too risky given phones are just everywhere.
 

RnR_au

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Speaking of inside Russia... some stuff from twitter;

They write that the mansion of Putin's nephew, Roman Putin, burned down in Ryazan

It was not the first attempt at destroying Putin's nephew mansion reportedly

This time it worked out
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Partisans burned down the door of the house belonging to Kremlin propagandist Trofim Tatarenkov in Saint Petersburg.
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Residents of the Moscow suburb Klimovsk have had no heat for 5 days amid record freezing temperatures.
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Maybe this stuff happens regularly in winter, but its interesting because of it 1) being in Moscow which is regarded as one of the nicer Russian regions, 2) close to Putin's reelection farce, and, 3) during an acute worker shortage. Speaking of which...

The business ombudsman, who called not to be afraid of migrants, now proposed using the labor of pensioners to close the personnel shortage.
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The idea of Labor camps was also raised, but dismissed for some reason. At least for now.

The tweet above also have a couple of tidbits on the Ruble;
Starting today, the Central Bank will begin selling currency from the National Welfare Fund in order to support the ruble exchange rate.

Unfortunately they are fighting other Russians on the Ruble...
Russians transferred more than $2 billion to Armenia. Such data for eight months of 2023 alone!
 

K1052

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Not really a shock but usually the Europeans don't spill this kind of tea. Breton is spearheading the effort to create a 100B euro defense fund for them to rearm. So part of this is to scare the membership shitless so that the take the appropriate steps to prepare.

Also the last poll I saw of NATO approval in the US was near 70% IIRC. Wrong on policy, wrong on the facts, and against domestic public opinion is the usual Trump trifecta of dumbassedness.

 

cytg111

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Not really a shock but usually the Europeans don't spill this kind of tea. Breton is spearheading the effort to create a 100B euro defense fund for them to rearm. So part of this is to scare the membership shitless so that the take the appropriate steps to prepare.

Also the last poll I saw of NATO approval in the US was near 70% IIRC. Wrong on policy, wrong on the facts, and against domestic public opinion is the usual Trump trifecta of dumbassedness.

Well. As it turns out Trump was one chaos-ball that not even Putin could navigate the fallout of. NATO expanded, NATO fortifies and the by far most likely outcome is an even stronger bond between EU and US.
The magnitude of this Putin fuckup just keeps expanding.
 

Pens1566

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Eh, I feel pretty confident that a Europe only NATO response would be more than sufficient (in a conventional conflict) to handle what's left of the scrap heap that is the Russian military.

The problem would be if it weren't limited to conventional. But, we all lose that one anyway.
 

K1052

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Eh, I feel pretty confident that a Europe only NATO response would be more than sufficient (in a conventional conflict) to handle what's left of the scrap heap that is the Russian military.

The problem would be if it weren't limited to conventional. But, we all lose that one anyway.

A significantly deeper magazine of missiles (of all kinds) would be a really good idea though. Europe definitely needs to possess many more standoff weapons and there are in union options that just need to be bought (NSM/JSM, Taurus KEPD-350, Storm Shadow/SCALP-EG). They could also use a large number of non-stealthy subsonic cruise missiles and decoys, both air and ground launched.
 

Pens1566

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A significantly deeper magazine of missiles (of all kinds) would be a really good idea though. Europe definitely needs to possess many more standoff weapons and there are in union options that just need to be bought (NSM/JSM, Taurus KEPD-350, Storm Shadow/SCALP-EG). They could also use a large number of non-stealthy subsonic cruise missiles and decoys, both air and ground launched.

Yeah, any/all of that would be preferred. I'm not saying it would be as easy without us. Much more drawn out than what would probably be a ~72hr or so exercise with a full NATO response.

But I still think that Poland alone would be enough to "win".
 
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So, what is the feeling among P&Ners about the chance of a full blown shooting war between NATO/EU and Russia, with maybe NK chiming in? And then China, do they sit it out? They seem to have their own internal problems. What about SK and Japan? Do they need to be more concerned about their own regions? The other smaller SE Asia countries seem to be sucking up to China.
 

K1052

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Russia isn't going to start a war with the EU soon, especially while engaged in Ukraine where progress is quite difficult for them to come by. If this war ended Russia would need a few years of rebuilding to be in a position to credibly (using the term loosely) threaten the EU.

Don't see any benefit to China from becoming involved and they have their own separate goals.
 

Pens1566

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Russia isn't going to start a war with the EU soon, especially while engaged in Ukraine where progress is quite difficult for them to come by. If this war ended Russia would need a few years of rebuilding to be in a position to credibly (using the term loosely) threaten the EU.

Don't see any benefit to China from becoming involved and they have their own separate goals.

I think the hypothetical is based on statements from Russian officials that after Ukraine, the baltics were next.

If they were that stupid, that would very likely escalate with other NATO members.
 

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So, what is the feeling among P&Ners about the chance of a full blown shooting war between NATO/EU and Russia, with maybe NK chiming in? And then China, do they sit it out? They seem to have their own internal problems. What about SK and Japan? Do they need to be more concerned about their own regions? The other smaller SE Asia countries seem to be sucking up to China.
I think very low because Russia knows it would get annihilated. The US army is the strongest in the world and Russia has proven they are not an even remotely close second.

I can see Russia trying some shit with the Baltics similar to the 'little green men' from Crimea, meaning stuff they can deny, but a full on shooting war? I doubt it.
 

K1052

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I think the hypothetical is based on statements from Russian officials that after Ukraine, the baltics were next.

If they were that stupid, that would very likely escalate with other NATO members.

"next" feels like no sooner than maybe 4 years from now if Ukraine was suddenly defeated today...which seems unlikely.

While I don't wish for war I'd really enjoy seeing the Russians try to cope with the 400-some F-35s the EU will have at its disposal by then.
 

RnR_au

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So, what is the feeling among P&Ners about the chance of a full blown shooting war between NATO/EU and Russia, with maybe NK chiming in?
Zero chance. This was supposed to be an easy op. The Ukrainian PM would flee and Ukraine would become like Belarus. That was then, this is now.

The whole Eastern Europe will be a hotbed of military production from this year.
Ukraine’s Ministry of Strategic Industries and the Lithuanian Defense and Security Industry Association signed a memorandum of understanding to support joint projects on drones and electronic warfare, demining equipment, software, and other advanced mil-tech solutions, including in the areas of cybersecurity and communications.

German, French and English companies are setting up shop inside Ukraine this year if they haven't already.


This is Russia's last adventure in Europe. Certainly Putin's last. Successors who may share Putin's Imperial dreams have significant hurdles to solve. In material, logistics and domestic support to such a degree as to challenge NATO with a rotten economy barely the size of Italy - and this while there is still interest in Russian gas. The further along the world moves away from fossil fuels, the weaker the Russian source of wealth becomes.

So yeah, ain't gonna happen.
 

Pens1566

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"next" feels like no sooner than maybe 4 years from now if Ukraine was suddenly defeated today...which seems unlikely.

While I don't wish for war I'd really enjoy seeing the Russians try to cope with the 400-some F-35s the EU will have at its disposal by then.

I feel the same way really. I enjoy seeing our (US) weapons systems finally get used as they were intended ... to kill invading russians in large #s. The only difference is it's not in the Fulda gap.
 

Jaskalas

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I think very low because Russia knows it would get annihilated. The US army is the strongest in the world and Russia has proven they are not an even remotely close second.
Why would the US army be involved?
Republicans have made it VERY clear that they have every intention of betraying NATO for Russia.

That is the sort of consequence our elections will have this year.
 

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I think the hypothetical is based on statements from Russian officials that after Ukraine, the baltics were next.

If they were that stupid, that would very likely escalate with other NATO members.


There is a difference between someone in the government saying this, and the president of a country saying this. Should Iran be prepping for war with the US because Lindsey Graham wants to bomb the shit out of them?

Jesus, stop being such scared snowflakes whenever some random Russian bureaucrat who no one has ever heard of makes a random threat.
 

K1052

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Zero chance. This was supposed to be an easy op. The Ukrainian PM would flee and Ukraine would become like Belarus. That was then, this is now.

The whole Eastern Europe will be a hotbed of military production from this year.


German, French and English companies are setting up shop inside Ukraine this year if they haven't already.


This is Russia's last adventure in Europe. Certainly Putin's last. Successors who may share Putin's Imperial dreams have significant hurdles to solve. In material, logistics and domestic support to such a degree as to challenge NATO with a rotten economy barely the size of Italy - and this while there is still interest in Russian gas. The further along the world moves away from fossil fuels, the weaker the Russian source of wealth becomes.

So yeah, ain't gonna happen.

One of the issues confronting European arms makers is that they lack the available workforce to dramatically expand quickly. Even Poland is running into this problem to some degree now. Ukraine however has a 43M population, a lot of labor slack, and very capable workers with pertinent technical experience. So really an ideal place to expand manufacturing war or no war.
 

RnR_au

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While I don't wish for war I'd really enjoy seeing the Russians try to cope with the 400-some F-35s the EU will have at its disposal by then.
Just on this bit, a milestone has been reached;


There will be alot of them around over the coming decades. Even Australia will have 72 of them operational shortly.
 
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