Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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I guess my question is why you would use a laser when you could just blow them out of the sky/water with existing tech?
No munitions. Nothing to manufacture, ship, store, reload after every shot, no explosive to handle. no barrels to replace and so on. Just recharge the beam.
 
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Paratus

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Loitering ability is a huge plus as well.
For underwater drones I’m not sure what the loitering capabilities are going to be. Mark 48 adcap torpedoes have a range of 38- 50km depending on speeds using a mono propellant and piston engine.

I guess a longer loitering capability would be the one defining difference between an underwater drone and a torpedo. Otherwise they both have similar designs, propulsion, power, communication and payload systems.
 
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fskimospy

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For underwater drones I’m not sure what the loitering capabilities are going to be. Mark 48 adcap torpedoes have a range of 38- 50km depending on speeds using a mono propellant and piston engine.

I guess a longer loitering capability would be the one defining difference between an underwater drone and a torpedo. Otherwise they both have similar designs, propulsion, power, communication and payload systems.
That’s a good point - aerial loitering is a big deal. Sea loitering is just you floating there, haha. Anyone can loiter!
 

uclaLabrat

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What does an undersea drone look like thats not a torpedo? Only thing i can envision is smaller, cheaper fish for targeting smaller ships. Anything for a warship is going to be a normal torp.
 

pcgeek11

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What does an undersea drone look like thats not a torpedo? Only thing i can envision is smaller, cheaper fish for targeting smaller ships. Anything for a warship is going to be a normal torp.


They have those tiny torpedo's on surface ships like the Mark - 54 which is only 12.75 inches in diameter and 106.9 inchs long and only weighs 608 lbs. as compared to a Mark - 48 Torpedo 21 inches in diameter, 19 feet long and weighs 3,434 lbs.
 
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uclaLabrat

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They have those tiny torpedo's on surface ships like the Mark - 54 which is only 12.75 inches in diameter and 106.9 inchs long and only weighs 608 lbs. as compared to a Mark - 48 Torpedo 21 inches in diameter, 19 feet long and weighs 3,434 lbs.
And those would target smaller ships like merchant-size, or frigates/corvettes?
 

pcgeek11

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And those would target smaller ships like merchant-size, or frigates/corvettes?


The Mark-54 was developed as an anti-submarine weapon. I'm sure it could be modified for use against a surface target.

Small light weight torpedo as submarines under pressure are easier to crush than a hardened target on the surface.
 

RnR_au

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What is going on here then?!



Source

Seems Russian forces in the area are woefully undermanned. There is also reports that ice have currently melted and not expected to return for at least two weeks.
 
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Drach

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Putin the 1st person that needs to be taken out. There are many others in his sphere.
I'm not long for this world. Please take care of this now before it becomes the baltic problem.
 

Jaskalas

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For underwater drones I’m not sure what the loitering capabilities are going to be.
Waiting, drifting at sea, until a target is given or detected.
China could use such a capability to defeat the United States navy around Taiwan.
Thankfully, we do not know of any mass production of such drones... yet.
 

kage69

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It gets better...haha

Shorty's still extremely butthurt over Patriot smacking down his 'hypersonics' I think. The US arms industry dominating global sales, while Russian stuff is a joke and won't sell, probably isn't helping the feels, is it Vlad? Nothing says quality missiles like having the S-400 designers arrested, no? You Can't Make This Up®

Putin claims Russian weapons "clearly superior"

"If we compare modern NATO armaments, the armaments of the last period of the Soviet era, in some respects are inferior, but not always," Putin said, according to Russian state media outlet TASS. "And if you take our newest armaments, they are clearly superior to everything. This is an obvious fact."


Yeah! Our newest armaments, you know. The ones developed with the Western chips, optics and metallurgy tech, built with Iranian and Chinese materials. Checkmate NATO!
 
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"And if you take our newest armaments, they are clearly superior to everything. This is an obvious fact."

Like the latest super tanks that get all blowed up by flying toys?
 

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It gets better...haha

Shorty's still extremely butthurt over Patriot smacking down his 'hypersonics' I think. The US arms industry dominating global sales, while Russian stuff is a joke and won't sell, probably isn't helping the feels, is it Vlad? Nothing says quality missiles like having the S-400 designers arrested, no? You Can't Make This Up®

Putin claims Russian weapons "clearly superior"

"If we compare modern NATO armaments, the armaments of the last period of the Soviet era, in some respects are inferior, but not always," Putin said, according to Russian state media outlet TASS. "And if you take our newest armaments, they are clearly superior to everything. This is an obvious fact."


Yeah! Our newest armaments, you know. The ones developed with the Western chips, optics and metallurgy tech, built with Iranian and Chinese materials. Checkmate NATO!
It goes like this: Make us the best missile ever that can't be shot down; the price for failure is death. Hey we got your missile ready. Missile gets shot down; bang bang. Now we need to find someone to make a better missile; alas there are no missile designers left (in Russia) !
 

hal2kilo

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There are some neat surfboard like autonomous vehicles also. They were trying to use them right after I retired to transfer sonar comms, to rf in the launch range to replace some aging gear. Wave Glider or Rider comes to mind.
Found it.
 
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