Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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fskimospy

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Proof that Russia is not trying to destroy Kyiv is that they are not firing on it with artillery. Never mind that the maximum range of their 152s is short by about half even if they placed them right at the border in Belarus.
Even for someone as nuts as @raildogg it's sort of weird that he's memory holed the fact that Russia very clearly attempted to take Kyiv when the war started. Since they filed though he's apparently decided they never really tried to begin with.

Maybe when Putin breaks out his secret 'actually good' army they will take another shot.
 
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raildogg

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If you don't like countries bombing or invading others you're going to be so mad when you learn what Russia has been up to for your entire lifetime.
Soviet Union is not Russia. The Orthodox church is back strong now in Russia along with rights of humans. For example, Chechnyans seem to be doing fine there as they have representation. Do many still want independence? Sure, but still better than it was years ago. The old Soviets would not have worked with the Chechens.
 

K1052

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No sane military would send such a small military as Russia sent in during the initial start of the war.

True!


The Russians were not stupid, naïve maybe and too trusting.

Not True!

They have realized that this conflict can no longer be won through a negotiation so that's why they are mobilizing over a million solders.

This conflict has been lost by Russia.

As far as limited missile attacks on Kiev, well that's sort of a tit for tat maneuver too. How many missiles does Ukraine launch into Russia these days?

They lack the capability not the desire. They've expended so much of their missile stock that they can only fire new builds and whatever they get from North Korea which is not getting the job done. They keep bumping up against minimums they need for strategic (nuclear deterrent) purposes.
 

trenchfoot

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Removing people via to get the outcome you want will lead to bad things. Russia is not stupid. People of Ukraine are divided along ethnic and linguistic lines and have been for a while.

Every populous nation is divided along ethnic and linguistic lines. What really matters is how unified they are against common enemies and their loyalty to their nation that protects them from authoritarians that want to seize and enslave them exactly as Putin, Xi Jinping and Kim Jong Un has done to their countries.

Ukraine is unified against a common enemy that seeks to destroy their existence and the freedoms they enjoy as a democracy. Whatever unique identities their local/regional traditions are meant to preserve is subservient to the nation they unified themselves under which makes your argument about divisiveness meaningless.
 

Paratus

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This is nonsense. Russia and China have the most advanced missile systems in the world. The US, despite spending more than the next 10 countries combined, still cannot produce a real hypersonic missile.

As far as bullying goes, the Americans are the best at it. They bully countries both militarily and economically. Want to talk about American sanctions being imposed on many countries? How many countries has it bombed over the years? Let's talk about bullies.
The US has had hyper sonic missiles since ICBMs became a thing in the 50's. Chalk up at least 1 part ignorance
 

raildogg

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Dude you are carrying water for a country that has violated treaties, invaded it's sovereign neighbor, bombed, raped, and killed civilians including women and children. You have no problems with "War Pigs". You've just decided that Putin is your team (or are paid to support him). This makes you some combination of naive, ignorant or awful.

No one takes you seriously.
Listen, no one comes close to waging war like America does. Violated treaties? You mean like the Minsk that Angela Merkel said the West simply used to arm up Ukraine? Please.
 

raildogg

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Every populous nation is divided along ethnic and linguistic lines. What really matters is how unified they are against common enemies and their loyalty to their nation that protects them from authoritarians that want to seize and enslave them exactly as Putin, Xi Jinping and Kim Jong Un has done to their countries.

Ukraine is unified against a common enemy that seeks to destroy their existence and the freedoms they enjoy as a democracy. Whatever unique identities their local/regional traditions are meant to preserve is subservient to the nation they unified themselves under which makes your argument about divisiveness meaningless.
Eastern Ukrainians are voting heavily to join Russia. Eastern Ukrainians have voted heavily in the past for pro-Russia leaders, such as Yanukovych. Clearly a divided country.
 

K1052

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Even for someone as nuts as @raildogg it's sort of weird that he's memory holed the fact that Russia very clearly attempted to take Kyiv when the war started. Since they filed though he's apparently decided they never really tried to begin with.

Maybe when Putin breaks out his secret 'actually good' army they will take another shot.

Yeah, tried and very publicly failed.
 

raildogg

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I plonked too soon. What absolute fuckery is this? Putin is the butcher of Chechnya.
True, he went too overboard and overreached. Terrible stuff. But you can see clearly that the Chechens are fighting hard for the Russian military these days. What changed? That's a good question.
 

Paratus

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Listen, no one comes close to waging war like America does. Violated treaties? You mean like the Minsk that Angela Merkel said the West simply used to arm up Ukraine? Please.
Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances The memoranda, signed in Patria Hall at the Budapest Convention Center with US Ambassador Donald M. Blinken amongst others in attendance,[3] prohibited Russia, the United States and the United Kingdom from threatening or using military force or economic coercion against Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan, "except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations." As a result of other agreements and the memorandum, between 1993 and 1996, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons.[4][5]

Russia has violated the memorandum they signed by using military force to coerce Ukraine.
 
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raildogg

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Anandtech people say Ukraine winning yet we have stories like these:


I am not against Ukraine, I do want peace there right now. Hope the Russians and Ukrainians can come to an understanding despite America's goals in order to prevent peace.
 

fskimospy

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Anandtech people say Ukraine winning yet we have stories like these:


I am not against Ukraine, I do want peace there right now. Hope the Russians and Ukrainians can come to an understanding despite America's goals in order to prevent peace.
If Russia wants peace all they need to do is stop illegally invading their neighbor.

I encourage Russia to thwart America's evil goals to perpetuate this war! America will be so owned if Russia withdraws.
 

raildogg

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😂😂😂

How much do you get paid per post, propagandist?
Well, it's a step in the right direction, no? Russia will not be a liberal democracy like Germany but they have made attempts at progress. It is a conservative country that has Orthodox Christian values so it will not satisfy this forum but, clearly a step up from the Soviet times.
 

trenchfoot

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Eastern Ukrainians are voting heavily to join Russia. Eastern Ukrainians have voted heavily in the past for pro-Russia leaders, such as Yanukovych. Clearly a divided country.


There is nothing stopping them from emigrating to Russia if they desire to live underfoot of a dictator. This is a political difference you're referring to and not an ethnic one, contrary to the point you were previously staking a claim in.
 

Paratus

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Anandtech people say Ukraine winning yet we have stories like these:


I am not against Ukraine, I do want peace there right now. Hope the Russians and Ukrainians can come to an understanding despite America's goals in order to prevent peace.
And Russia is so low on ammunition they are importing it from North Korea. America has plenty of ammunition.
 

K1052

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True, he went too overboard and overreached. Terrible stuff. But you can see clearly that the Chechens are fighting hard for the Russian military these days. What changed? That's a good question.

The Kremlin and their selected warlord won the Second Chechen war after killing the opposition and leveling Grozny.
 

trenchfoot

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Anandtech people say Ukraine winning yet we have stories like these:


I am not against Ukraine, I do want peace there right now. Hope the Russians and Ukrainians can come to an understanding despite America's goals in order to prevent peace.

Why blame America when you know for a fact it's your soviet inspired komrades in the Republican party that's directly responsible for the ammunition shortages in Ukraine. If you don't like pointing at yourself and the House Freedom Caucus as the villain(s) as you've done over and over again then why don't you simply stop doing it to yourself already.

Your purpose here as you've clearly shown is not to present an opposing point of view. It's more than obvious you're here to stir up imaginary shit in line with Putin's and the Republican's efforts at dividing and destroying the democratic principles our nation is founded on from the inside out so as to subjugate it to the whims of the nation's oligarchs that have no skin in the game of taking care of the nation's commoners other than enslaving them.

If you think otherwise then you're the one being played so badly it's hard not to laugh in yer face at the spectacle of it all.
 

trenchfoot

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The Russian Orthodox Church is basically a state organ that has gone in and out of favor depending who's running their government and the needs of the time.

In their corner of the world, their state church is a whore looking for a sugar daddy to keep their business of pacifying the masses up and running.
 

Brovane

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Cities that are in the lines of battle will likely be damaged. That's common sense, no? Kiev has been kept out of battle because Russia is not waging an all out war. If it were, Kiev would not be standing and neither would the Ukrainian government.

Can Russia destroy Kyiv without using nuclear weapons?
 

Drach

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@raildogg, do you consider the USA an occupying force in Europe? If so which countries are they occupying?
 
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