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cytg111

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Soviet Union is not Russia. The Orthodox church is back strong now in Russia along with rights of humans. For example, Chechnyans seem to be doing fine there as they have representation. Do many still want independence? Sure, but still better than it was years ago. The old Soviets would not have worked with the Chechens.
This is rubber cell level delusional.
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
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This is nonsense. Russia and China have the most advanced missile systems in the world. The US, despite spending more than the next 10 countries combined, still cannot produce a real hypersonic missile.

As far as bullying goes, the Americans are the best at it. They bully countries both militarily and economically. Want to talk about American sanctions being imposed on many countries? How many countries has it bombed over the years? Let's talk about bullies.
Yeah, so advanced the nazi's have stopped bothering to lob them at cities, that or they ran out of orphanages to blow up, one or the other.

Russian and Chinese missile systems are trash. American intel knew it 3 years ago, and now everyone else does too. Cheap copies of greater systems developed by greater people in a safer part of the world. Develop missiles for Russia, and you'll get killed for it. Get the word out!
 

Meghan54

Lifer
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This is nonsense. Russia and China have the most advanced missile systems in the world. The US, despite spending more than the next 10 countries combined, still cannot produce a real hypersonic missile.

As far as bullying goes, the Americans are the best at it. They bully countries both militarily and economically. Want to talk about American sanctions being imposed on many countries? How many countries has it bombed over the years? Let's talk about bullies.
Just wondering aloud but if Russia is so damned great at building armament like missiles and drones, why are they paying through the nose for Iranian drones? Seems to me that a country that espouses they have a leading world-class military industrial complex would have little use for armaments from a third world country.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Just wondering aloud but if Russia is so damned great at building armament like missiles and drones, why are they paying through the nose for Iranian drones? Seems to me that a country that espouses they have a leading world-class military industrial complex would have little use for armaments from a third world country.
Don't forget: why are they killing their weapons developers.
 

kage69

Lifer
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This is rubber cell level delusional.

Yeah it's worse than I thought. This guy is crazier than an outhouse rat.

He seems to be pretty proud of his post WWII order ignorance, and he's definitely more comfortable groping strawmen than trying to use factual data to support his bizarre love of a corrupt, murderous regime.

The DSMV grade denial about Putin's Grozny treatment for Ukraine is pretty funny though. Like how fucked in the head do you have to be to seriously believe the guy who is leveling cities, who commits ecological war crimes like breaching the Nova Kakhovka dam, who targets food production, that he's 'not trying to mess it up much.' That is some stellar detachment from reality there. Kinda like the other cyka, I actually hope this one is getting paid for this level of embarrasment. This being one long symptom demo just makes it even more sad.



Back on topic; Russia flailing about against the poor cousin they betrayed. Seems AFU might have bagged another Russian general when they hit Belbek Airbase in Crimea.

Too bad, so sad Alexander Tatarenko
 

kage69

Lifer
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Patriot bringing down Kinzhals and S-400s unable to affect GMLRS gives a good idea of the state of the US vs Russian weapons design issue I think.

The US will have ARRW and LRSO at some point, but hypersonics are already meh. I think we're devoting more effort into hypersonic interceptors and decoy detection. Right now the exciting stuff is all about rotating detonation engines and that 'active morphing' technology. The missile gets close to the target then bends it's articulating neck and points the warhead directly at the target for a more effective kill. An offbore kill ability for missiles, very cool. And then there's SiAW, a longer range, smarter more flexible version of HARM.

The US has been the leader in terms of aircraft, but we've also become the leader in missile technology as well it appears. Our stuff works, Russia's often doesn't, and apparently China's double as water storage. China can't even design their own dual rotor heavy lifter, they gave up and tried to steal a US Chinook from Taiwan's AF. That Z-10 attack chopper they are so proud of is more European and American than Chinese too. Weak sauce. Like Armata weak.
 

raildogg

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Avdiivka is surrounded and Ukraine is suffering weapons shortages.

Can you guys admit that Ukraine now has to compete with Israel when it comes to US aid and military assistance? The Republicans and many Democrats prioritize Israel a lot more than Ukraine so they will send them what stocks they have left. And when any aid package is passed for Ukraine, they tie Israel with it so it means that Ukraine is not getting the entire amount. So it was difficult for Ukraine before but now having to compete with Israel? Very hard now.
 

raildogg

Lifer
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Yeah, so advanced the nazi's have stopped bothering to lob them at cities, that or they ran out of orphanages to blow up, one or the other.

Russian and Chinese missile systems are trash. American intel knew it 3 years ago, and now everyone else does too. Cheap copies of greater systems developed by greater people in a safer part of the world. Develop missiles for Russia, and you'll get killed for it. Get the word out!
Many Americans think this is 1991 and the rest of the world is way behind in technology. Not true at all. Please research more. The Chinese are not to be underestimated when it comes to their capabilities. Combined with cheap natural resources from Russia, they are a powerhouse. But let's not change topics though I will provide some info.


"WASHINGTON —
Russia’s repeated use of advanced hypersonic missiles as part of its bombardment of Ukraine may be getting the bulk of the West’s attention, but United States defense officials say it is China that has the world’s leading hypersonic arsenal.

"While both China and Russia have conducted numerous successful tests of hypersonic weapons and have likely fielded operational systems, China is leading Russia in both supporting infrastructure and numbers of systems,” the Defense Intelligence Agency’s chief scientist for science and technology told U.S. lawmakers Friday.

“Over the past two decades, China has dramatically advanced its development of conventional and nuclear-armed hypersonic missile technologies and capabilities through intense and focused investment, development, testing and deployment,” said the DIA’s Paul Freisthler, testifying in front of the House Armed Services Committee.

Unlike ballistic missiles, which fly at hypersonic speeds but travel along a set trajectory, hypersonic weapons are highly maneuverable despite flying at Mach 5, or five times the speed of sound."

I am using American media here, so imagine if I bring in Chinese sources. Western domination of the world is over. China knows that the West wants to see Russia weakened or destroyed and after that, the West will target China next. Therefore, they will not allow Russia to be destroyed.

(Before you respond, I think I know what you might say: "Russia destroyed itself" or "Russia can end this now" or "It was Russia that started this")

These are typical talking points so let's move beyond them. Whether you think Russia started this or NATO started this, we need to look at the present situation in Ukraine. Going round and round is not going to help the discussion - that is, if you are interested in a discussion at all, and not just going on the attack to make your point.
 
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raildogg

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Have you looked at Europe's population decline recently? Without the massive refugee influx, their demographics are not good. Europe has been on a very low fertility trend for decades. And they don't have the 1.4 billion population of China.

All of EU is below replacement level so I guess that might explain why they are importing millions of migrants, which the local populations are not happy with.
 

Brovane

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Many Americans think this is 1991 and the rest of the world is way behind in technology. Not true at all. Please research more. The Chinese are not to be underestimated when it comes to their capabilities. Combined with cheap natural resources from Russia, they are a powerhouse. But let's not change topics though I will provide some info.


"WASHINGTON —
Russia’s repeated use of advanced hypersonic missiles as part of its bombardment of Ukraine may be getting the bulk of the West’s attention, but United States defense officials say it is China that has the world’s leading hypersonic arsenal.

"While both China and Russia have conducted numerous successful tests of hypersonic weapons and have likely fielded operational systems, China is leading Russia in both supporting infrastructure and numbers of systems,” the Defense Intelligence Agency’s chief scientist for science and technology told U.S. lawmakers Friday.

“Over the past two decades, China has dramatically advanced its development of conventional and nuclear-armed hypersonic missile technologies and capabilities through intense and focused investment, development, testing and deployment,” said the DIA’s Paul Freisthler, testifying in front of the House Armed Services Committee.

Unlike ballistic missiles, which fly at hypersonic speeds but travel along a set trajectory, hypersonic weapons are highly maneuverable despite flying at Mach 5, or five times the speed of sound."

I am using American media here, so imagine if I bring in Chinese sources. Western domination of the world is over. China knows that the West wants to see Russia weakened or destroyed and after that, the West will target China next. Therefore, they will not allow Russia to be destroyed.

(Before you respond, I think I know what you might say: "Russia destroyed itself" or "Russia can end this now" or "It was Russia that started this")

These are typical talking points so let's move beyond them. Whether you think Russia started this or NATO started this, we need to look at the present situation in Ukraine. Going round and round is not going to help the discussion - that is, if you are interested in a discussion at all, and not just going on the attack to make your point.

How did you miss this about Russian hypersonic missiles? Russia is providing plenty of targets with their Kinzhals for Patriot to intercept. Using this type of information against real targets in a real world environment, Raytheon will be able to further improve the Patriot system.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-patriot-missile-is-an-unsung-hero-of-ukraine-war-db6053a0

Early that morning, May 16, the Patriot’s radar detected the missiles, including six Kinzhals, at a distance of about 125 miles. The system’s computer tracked the missiles and launched interceptors, destroying all of them, the last at a distance of about 9 miles—seconds before impact.

“We have been very surprised at its effectiveness,” said Hayes of the Patriot, which he said alongside other air-defense systems has intercepted as many as 90% of incoming threats in Ukraine. He said Ukraine has tweaked the Patriot’s software to enable it to track and destroy hypersonic missiles flying twice as fast as it was designed for. Yaremenko said officers in Ukraine’s partner countries have told him, “We are learning from you right now.”
 

cytg111

Lifer
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These are typical talking points so let's move beyond them. Whether you think Russia started this or NATO started this, we need to look at the present situation in Ukraine. Going round and round is not going to help the discussion - that is, if you are interested in a discussion at all, and not just going on the attack to make your point.

Alright, lets do, the by far biggest weight on the scale in terms of Ukraine's success at booting the orcs comes down to treasonous elements in US government.

If the treasonous elements is successful at blocking aid, hopefully EU can still keep it up but it's more of a struggle for the Ukrainians than it has to be.

If treasonous elements is successful at taking the WH again then it's game over not only for Ukraine but for so many other things, we're gonna have to draw up a new chess board to have those conversations.


Trump NATO and the US constitution:

Treason:
"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."

Treaties:
"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."

Trump:
"Former President Donald Trump said Saturday he would encourage Russia to “do whatever the hell they want” if it attacked a NATO country that didn’t pay enough for defense."

I will say though, it's on par with Putin's capacity to honor treaties... Like treaties made with Ukraine.

It's spectacular, even from the sidelines this orange moron has pretty much destroyed NATO as it is today. There is no coming back from those statements.
A Gift to his Boyfriend I presume. (you will have to compete for access).

 

K1052

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Have you looked at Europe's population decline recently? Without the massive refugee influx, their demographics are not good. Europe has been on a very low fertility trend for decades. And they don't have the 1.4 billion population of China.

I think Euro population is forecast to shrink by about 6% from a mid 2040s high of about 530M by 2100. China? 63%.

I'm not sure you comprehend the magnitude of the problem.
 
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cytg111

Lifer
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Have you looked at Europe's population decline recently? Without the massive refugee influx, their demographics are not good. Europe has been on a very low fertility trend for decades. And they don't have the 1.4 billion population of China.

All of EU is below replacement level so I guess that might explain why they are importing millions of migrants, which the local populations are not happy with.
Nice segue. Not really though.
 

raildogg

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How did you miss this about Russian hypersonic missiles? Russia is providing plenty of targets with their Kinzhals for Patriot to intercept. Using this type of information against real targets in a real world environment, Raytheon will be able to further improve the Patriot system.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-patriot-missile-is-an-unsung-hero-of-ukraine-war-db6053a0

Early that morning, May 16, the Patriot’s radar detected the missiles, including six Kinzhals, at a distance of about 125 miles. The system’s computer tracked the missiles and launched interceptors, destroying all of them, the last at a distance of about 9 miles—seconds before impact.

“We have been very surprised at its effectiveness,” said Hayes of the Patriot, which he said alongside other air-defense systems has intercepted as many as 90% of incoming threats in Ukraine. He said Ukraine has tweaked the Patriot’s software to enable it to track and destroy hypersonic missiles flying twice as fast as it was designed for. Yaremenko said officers in Ukraine’s partner countries have told him, “We are learning from you right now.”
I will look into this but I have my doubts as to how they found out that the missiles were actually a Mach 10 Kinzhal. It's not a magic missile and I never claim it was. I will check further on this.
 

K1052

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How did you miss this about Russian hypersonic missiles? Russia is providing plenty of targets with their Kinzhals for Patriot to intercept. Using this type of information against real targets in a real world environment, Raytheon will be able to further improve the Patriot system.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-patriot-missile-is-an-unsung-hero-of-ukraine-war-db6053a0

Early that morning, May 16, the Patriot’s radar detected the missiles, including six Kinzhals, at a distance of about 125 miles. The system’s computer tracked the missiles and launched interceptors, destroying all of them, the last at a distance of about 9 miles—seconds before impact.

“We have been very surprised at its effectiveness,” said Hayes of the Patriot, which he said alongside other air-defense systems has intercepted as many as 90% of incoming threats in Ukraine. He said Ukraine has tweaked the Patriot’s software to enable it to track and destroy hypersonic missiles flying twice as fast as it was designed for. Yaremenko said officers in Ukraine’s partner countries have told him, “We are learning from you right now.”

Raytheon and Lockheed as the Russians throw basically their entire missile portfolio (and some of North Korea's) except ICBMs against their air defense equipment:

 

cytg111

Lifer
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I will look into this but I have my doubts as to how they found out that the missiles were actually a Mach 10 Kinzhal. It's not a magic missile and I never claim it was. I will check further on this.
You Buffon. Everyone here knew that besides you. Wonder why that is? Everyone can estimate your news diet. Stop pissing about.
 

raildogg

Lifer
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I think Euro population is forecast to shrink by about 6% from a mid 2040s high of about 530M by 2100. China? 63%.

I'm not sure you comprehend the magnitude of the problem.
We'll see how things play out. I am not a cheerleader for anyone.

One thing though is that Europe has been declining in fertility rates before China was and now China is dropping faster in its fertility rate. Both are below replacement level but China is worse in this regard. Fair points. Plus Europe is much wealthier per capita than China helps them too. I do wonder how Europe will do economically in the future given its bad state right now. AI, high tech will mean that mass labor force is not the biggest driver. Cheap energy will be and in this area, China will be far ahead of Europe.
 

raildogg

Lifer
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You Buffon. Everyone here knew that besides you. Wonder why that is? Everyone can estimate your news diet. Stop pissing about.
I am sorry I don't ingest Western talking points 24/7 like you people do. Like I said I have to look into this more. Thanks for the insults. I should ignore this post to the childishness but I have looked the other way for now.

No weapons system is perfect, they all work in coordination with other weapons systems. You cannot drop a Leapord tank, for instance, and expect a miracle. It is a good tank but it works in coordination with other systems and needs a well trained crew. Same thing for the Russian weapons.

Let's see how it goes. The Russians as of right now are draining the West dry of a lot weapons.

 
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Brovane

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I will look into this but I have my doubts as to how they found out that the missiles were actually a Mach 10 Kinzhal. It's not a magic missile and I never claim it was. I will check further on this.

If the the radar on a Ukrainian Patriot picks up a inbound Russian missile at Mach 10 not on a ballistic trajectory, what else could it be but a Kinzhal?
 

raildogg

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With friends like America, Germany needs no enemies. America has destroyed Germany's industrial capacity basically by denying it cheap Russian energy:


I bet someone here will accuse Mr. Hersh of being a Russian spy or agent.
 
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