Russia violated their guarantee of Ukraine’s borders. What guarantee could Russia give that would be credible?
Russia violated their guarantee of Ukraine’s borders. What guarantee could Russia give that would be credible?I never say to surrender. I say come to the negotiations and work out peace. Two Slavic countries fighting because of Western elites? Makes no sense. Come and talk. Joining NATO and becoming part of the US-led bloc against Russia is not acceptable to Russia. I don't care either way but that is what Russia has said. Can we respect their views or only Western views are acceptable?
Just because a country is overmatched, it doesn't mean that they did not have a role in their defeat. The Ukraine's current pro-West government, which replaced a more neutral government back in 2014, has to be held accountable. Russia and Ukraine have a long border and historical ties. Joining NATO was not acceptable to Russia. Not my choice, not your choice. That's how they viewed this.
Everything you’re talking about is after Russia ALREADY INVADED UKRAINE.fskinospy,
Shelling has continued, human rights against Russian speakers has continued despite Minsk 1 and the later Minsk 2.
Quoting an article:
Earlier last month, Russian President Vladimir Putin said that Russia was hoping for peace agreements back when it signed the Minsk agreements in 2014, but it was fooled.
"We all endured, endured, endured and hoped for some kind of peace agreement, but now it turns out that we were simply fooled," Putin told reporters.
"After the revelations of [ex-German Chancellor Angela] Merkel, [ex-Ukrainian President Petro] Poroshenko, and other politicians about the true goals of the Minsk agreements, it became obvious to everyone that Russia was not the source of the conflict in Ukraine," Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said a day before Putin's statement.
Moreover, Merkel, who was in office from 2005 to 2021, said earlier that month that the Minsk accords were signed to "give Ukraine time" to strengthen itself.
"The 2014 Minsk agreement was an attempt to give time to Ukraine. It also used this time to become stronger as can be seen today. The Ukraine of 2014-2015 is not modern Ukraine," Merkel said.
In a similar context, former German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who, earlier in December, confessed that the Minsk agreements were only "meant to give Ukraine time" said on December 28 that the question of whether or not she will be participating in a possible Ukrainian reconciliation process "has not been raised."
So basically, Minsk was not to stop the shelling in Donbass but to arm up Ukraine? Is that was Merkle is saying? In other words, propose a ceasefire so Ukraine can arm up but is still shelling Donbass?
Interesting, that means that the West needs to step up its industrial base quick in order to produce millions of artillery shells. Can the West do this? Seems unlikely given their for-profit MIC system. Who knows, maybe they can. Doesn't matter because right now, the Ukrainians are being squeezed. It's not just a defensive posture, it's being squeezed from multiple angles.
Even though Russian claims about Minsk are mostly lies it’s a pretty funny idea that they are like ‘I can’t believe you broke this agreement after we broke this other agreement’
Agreements Russia makes are not worth the paper they are written on. The only thing Russia understands is violence. The good news is the US has a far larger ability to commit violence than they do.
It's not that simple, you have the Black Sea Fleet, Odessa, NATO expansion into Ukraine and many other points here. Russia simply cannot and did not say that it will protect Ukraine's border no matter what.Russia violated their guarantee of Ukraine’s borders. What guarantee could Russia give that would be credible?
Lol, when that day comes nobody will be negotiating with Putin, it'll be with whoever put a bullet in his brain pan.When the day actually comes for negotiations Putin is going to have a hell of a time getting anybody to believe him and Ukrainian security demands are probably going to require physical NATO basing until they are admitted.
It's not that simple, you have the Black Sea Fleet, Odessa, NATO expansion into Ukraine and many other points here. Russia simply cannot and did not say that it will protect Ukraine's border no matter what.
It's not that simple, you have the Black Sea Fleet, Odessa, NATO expansion into Ukraine and many other points here. Russia simply cannot and did not say that it will protect Ukraine's border no matter what.
That link though. God. Damn.Former German Chancellor Merkel admits the Minsk agreement was merely to buy time for Ukraine’s arms build-up
Merkel’s recent interview with <em>Die Zeit</em> confirms the view of the WSWS that NATO has wanted war from the start but needed time for its military preparations.www.wsws.org
Angela Merkle admits it. Minsk was designed to dupe Russia. The West's main goal is to weaken Russia.
The US should have gifted them nukes the day Russian forces began massing on the border.Ukraine should have kept their nukes.
I understand, giving a link that is not officially endorsed by American think tanks and the big media can have some drawbacks and some may not trust them. But let's check it out anyway, it could be good. Not like Western media, such as the NY Times, doesn't get things wrong purposefully or not.That link though. God. Damn.
Thus further risking security for Ukraine? Guys, what is this country Ukraine to you? A weapon, or a proxy, to be used against Russia? If so, then that's what Russia has been saying for all these years.The US should have gifted them nukes the day Russian forces began massing on the border.
Either peace at the expense of freedom is worth it or it’s not. These are your own words!Let's not do that please. I responded to your question in the other thread.
An independent nation of free peoples, deserving the right to lead whatever life they wish without rapists, murderous savages, and lesser men of greater sires descending on them from fruitless lands to steal earth, water, and womb.Guys, what is this country Ukraine to you?
Thus further risking security for Ukraine? Guys, what is this country Ukraine to you? A weapon, or a proxy, to be used against Russia? If so, then that's what Russia has been saying for all these years.
If America wants to destroy Russia that bad, why not use their own troops? Why use Ukrainian men so they get killed? That's how the US operates I guess. They can only bomb villagers in third world countries.
Question: Why has the US or the UK (big talking country with very weak military) not deployed their military to fight Russia yet? Just a question to see what might be the reasons for this. I am sure we all have opinions, right?
Death before chains, always.fskimospy, a ceasefire at the expense of temporary bondage is worth it at this time
Ukraine cannot be a NATO country according to Russia's foreign policy. That's what they decided. If you continue to ignore that, there will be conflict ... hence conflict in Ukraine. Simple as that.An independent nation of free peoples, deserving the right to lead whatever life they wish without rapists, murderous savages, and lesser men of greater sires descending on them from fruitless lands to steal earth, water, and womb.
Fuck Russia, give Ukraine nukes.
And WTF, you just fucking said this in the Israel thread, make up your stupid fuck mind.Living in bondage still has not resulted in any peace for the Palestinians. They have lost on both of these things - no peace and no security.
Judging by the West's rhetoric and actions, they want to severely weaken or even destroy Russia but without getting US troops involved. If Russia is such a weak country, then why doesn't America try something directly? We know America has no problems fighting wars and killing millions of people.If Russia wants to fight the west Putin knows where to find us. He won't because the ass kicking would be incredible.
Death before chains, always.
Ukraine isn't in Russia! Who the fuck cares what Russia wants. What they want is irrelevant.Ukraine cannot be a NATO country according to Russia's foreign policy. That's what they decided. If you continue to ignore that, there will be conflict ... hence conflict in Ukraine. Simple as that.
I am trying to give you the reality of the situation, not whether I agree or not.