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raildogg

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Actually western militaries probably more actually usable equipment in their stockpiles than the Russians do. They are being forced to draw T-55s out of storage because the thousands of T72s and T64s supposedly being maintained where actually not and turned out to not be usable.

This is a problem that happens when your government is a kleptocracy.
You are right, Western militaries are small forces which fight a different type of war than Russia fights. The Ukrainians fought that way too because they were based on the Soviets too. The Western world uses smaller scale weapons, though modern enough. Different way of fighting wars. The Western world thinks their way is better. Not up to me to decide.
 

raildogg

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Translation:

Hey guys even though everything I just said was wrong please just ignore it.
I have said many times, focus on the results on the ground than what weapon is being used. If an old F-16 does the job, why use F-35, for example? Right?

If Ukrainians were having major victories using old Leopard 1 tanks, would you complain? No, because the weapon doesn't matter as much as how the fight is going. And right now, Russia is on the offensive on multiple fronts. T-55, T-62, T-72, T-80 it doesn't matter much in the end.

Of the many famous battles in the ancient world, do we remember which weapons were used or who got the results?
 
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brycejones

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I have said many times, focus on the results on the ground than what weapon is being used. If an old F-16 does the job, why use F-35, for example? Right?

If Ukrainians were having major victories using old Leopard 1 tanks, would you complain?

Well militaries that value their soldiers more do everything they can to give them best shot at survival. Putting your troops in rolling death traps (which a T-55 is against ATGMs that date all the way back to the 70s) and hoping to make up for it through shear numbers regardless of the casualties says all you need to know about the Russian Army. I'm sure as someone concerned about the loss of life in this war you're outraged by that right?
 

fskimospy

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There is not enough evidence that the T-55 is their main tank for offensive purposes. And secondly. Russia just scored a major victory in Avdiivka so if, according to you and others, Russia is using ancient tanks, then it doesn't matter too much does it?
It’s a ‘major victory’ only by the DRASTICALLY diminished standards we hold them to now. To suffer such huge casualties for such a small territorial gain would have been viewed as abject failure in 2022.

They didn’t use T-55s at all initially because they had better equipment. After thousands and thousands of losses they don’t anymore. It’s simple.
 

raildogg

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Well militaries that value their soldiers more do everything they can to give them best shot at survival. Putting your troops in rolling death traps (which a T-55 is against ATGMs that date all the way back to the 70s) and hoping to make up for it through shear numbers regardless of the casualties says all you need to know about the Russian Army. I'm sure as someone concerned about the loss of life in this war you're outraged by that right?
I am sure the commanders on the ground had a reason for doing what they did. If they knowingly did that without care about the conditions in the battlefield at that time, then that is not acceptable. Russia does have a history of making plenty of mistakes and using bad tactics. In WW2, they suffered a lot due to bad equipment or bad tactics.
 

brycejones

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I am sure the commanders on the ground had a reason for doing what they did. If they knowingly did that without care about the conditions in the battlefield at that time, then that is not acceptable. Russia does have a history of making plenty of mistakes and using bad tactics. In WW2, they suffered a lot due to bad equipment or bad tactics.

Why do you think the Russian military would start using tanks 4 generations behind when they supposedly had thousands of much newer tanks in their reserves?
 

raildogg

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Why do you think the Russian military would start using tanks 4 generations behind when they supposedly had thousands of much newer tanks in their reserves?
I am not sure but using old equipment does not necessarily mean too much. Maybe they felt they can get away with it based on battlefield conditions. If they were fighting a tank force of M1A2s, I doubt very much they would use anything older than their very modernized T-72s. Different situations require different weapons but I am not a military guy.
 

fskimospy

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I am not sure but using old equipment does not necessarily mean too much. Maybe they felt they can get away with it based on battlefield conditions. If they were fighting a tank force of M1A2s, I doubt very much they would use anything older than their very modernized T-72s. Different situations require different weapons but I am not a military guy.
So they started off using their best equipment and then after losing half their gains decided obsolete designs were the best suited for the situation?
 

raildogg

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It's not about gains at this point, it's about absolutely inflicting damage to the Ukrainian military, which they have done. Capturing lands West of Donbass, Zaporizhya and Kherson is going to be risky and costly anyway for Russia. This doesn't mean they are not pressing and on the offensive on multiple fronts. The towns near Avdiivka will also fall for the Ukrainians.

Right now, the Ukrainians are suffering very badly in all sorts of ways and the West is desperate to pass whatever bill they can. There is no way you can say the Russians are losing at this point. Not based on that info. If you have other info, please let us know (and not about T-55s please).
 

fskimospy

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It's not about gains at this point, it's about absolutely inflicting damage to the Ukrainian military, which they have done. Capturing lands West of Donbass, Zaporizhya and Kherson is going to be risky and costly anyway for Russia. This doesn't mean they are not pressing and on the offensive on multiple fronts. The towns near Avdiivka will also fall for the Ukrainians.

Right now, the Ukrainians are suffering very badly in all sorts of ways and the West is desperate to pass whatever bill they can. There is no way you can say the Russians are losing at this point. Not based on that info. If you have other info, please let us know (and not about T-55s please).
Again I’m not sure what you aren’t understanding here. If it wasn’t about gains then they would look for more advantageous places to fight instead of suffering hugely disproportionate losses.

You might not think it’s about gains but Russia clearly does.
 

RnR_au

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1 of the few non brainwashed Russian Zombies who tells the truth on brainwashing and dictatorship:

Most of them are non brainwashed. Its only really the old folk with nothing to lose that will tell strangers what they really think of Putin and their current administration. Most Russians on camera will play dumb, disinterested or pro-Putin depending on how they feel on the day. Far less trouble that way.
 

raildogg

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Again I’m not sure what you aren’t understanding here. If it wasn’t about gains then they would look for more advantageous places to fight instead of suffering hugely disproportionate losses.

You might not think it’s about gains but Russia clearly does.
Why can't it not be about both? Capturing land when available and feasible and inflicting damage to the Ukrainian military? At this point, both are being done. When the war front is so big, the rate of advancement is slow and the Russians don't want to lose too many men so they are cautious. This not the Soviets rolling through Eastern Europe trying to chase the Germans.

And also, Marinka is being attacked by Russia now so only a matter of time before it falls too.

Fierce fighting:


Just like Avdiivka, very hard fighting. (I am using a Ukrainian source here to be fair to all sides)
 

borosp1

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Most of them are non brainwashed. Its only really the old folk with nothing to lose that will tell strangers what they really think of Putin and their current administration. Most Russians on camera will play dumb, disinterested or pro-Putin depending on how they feel on the day. Far less trouble that way.
Yes.. The author of the video said the same most of the people willing to be interviewed on camera have the opinion of either "PROTECT THE MOTHERLAND", "I AM APOLITICAL", or the small minority who tells the truth is against the war and the government.
 

fskimospy

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Why can't it not be about both? Capturing land when available and feasible and inflicting damage to the Ukrainian military? At this point, both are being done. When the war front is so big, the rate of advancement is slow and the Russians don't want to lose too many men so they are cautious. This not the Soviets rolling through Eastern Europe trying to chase the Germans.

And also, Marinka is being attacked by Russia now so only a matter of time before it falls too.

Fierce fighting:


Just like Avdiivka, very hard fighting. (I am using a Ukrainian source here to be fair to all sides)
You just said it wasn’t both, it wasn’t about territory. Now you’re changing your tune.

Russia is taking disproportionate losses because they are focusing on territory. Their problem is that the advances they are making would be considered failures in 2022.
 

kage69

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I don't think Russians are that dumb to throw away their military. They are actually being careful so that's why you see the advances in incremental ways.

Wow. Haha, yes and this is why people don't take you seriously. That's a remarkable job of denial you've pulled off for nearly two years then.

Putin has pissed away more than half his of land force strength in a 3 Day War against the poorest country in Europe. At the same time he's made NATO stronger than ever while costing himself his military export business. It's almost like you should go educate yourself first, then comment on the war.

Yeah, "being careful." Nothing says "being careful" like a complete disregard for casualties, with people you hardly train or equip, that die by the tens of thousands, and who could be shot for retreating. That's why Russians kept attacking in the same spots over and over again, and in single file no less. 7 months it took for them to start trying new things. That was them "being careful."

Why are you such a clown? We already have one
 

Brovane

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I am sure the commanders on the ground had a reason for doing what they did. If they knowingly did that without care about the conditions in the battlefield at that time, then that is not acceptable. Russia does have a history of making plenty of mistakes and using bad tactics. In WW2, they suffered a lot due to bad equipment or bad tactics.

Do you think that Russian soldiers should be posting video of them executing Ukrainian POW's on Telegram?

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024...f-executing-prisoners-after-fall-of-avdviivka
 

Jaskalas

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Our betrayal is complete.
It is only a matter of a month or two before Russia proves to have more meat waves than ammo we are willing to send.
Upon that moment, Ukraine will break and the frontlines collapse.

ABC News: Ukraine could face 'catastrophic' arms shortage within weeks, US officials say

Ukraine could face a "catastrophic shortage of ammunition and air defenses" by late March if Congress does not pass a bill that contains $61 billion in crucial funding for Kyiv, ABC News reported on Feb. 22, citing two anonymous U.S. officials.
U.S. National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan warned on Feb. 14 that Ukrainian troops are running out of ammunition and urged Congress to pass additional funding.
 
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K1052

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The idea that everything is fine with Russian armor availability but they are sending nearly original T-55s into attacks which are vulnerable to basically everything on the battlefield that isn't a small arm is lol.

I guess Putin is sill holding back his secret good army.
 
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