Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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K1052

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It's really hard to say what they're using.

Improved S200's from Poland or a domestic program improving their own linked to Patriot radar is my theory... if not straight out datalinked to US assets over the Black Sea.

S-200s are in use but to what extent is not clear. That A-50 might have bought it from a Russian ground crew trying to take out an S-200. Still murky.

Ukraine has some pretty decent domestic air defense radars but they're short on interceptors. Which is why most of the programs have focused on adapting western interceptors to legacy Soviet systems.
 

trenchfoot

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S-200s are in use but to what extent is not clear. That A-50 might have bought it from a Russian ground crew trying to take out an S-200. Still murky.

Ukraine has some pretty decent domestic air defense radars but they're short on interceptors. Which is why most of the programs have focused on adapting western interceptors to legacy Soviet systems.

Improvise, adapt, overcome. The way of war and why the ability to do that results in ultimate victory. Adapting to field conditions can result in an impressive use of ingenuity, a lot of it pretty comical yet effective. The AFU have proven they are very very good at it.
 

feralkid

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Since Russian state sponsored weapons are being used against the main land United States, perhaps it is time for the United States to start shooting back. With live ammo.


For example, I imagine ALPHV would find it difficult continue its operations if it simply started blowing up. I am aware the suspected location is the GRU electronic warfare division headquarters, but we need not confine to just that building. This might also impede Russia's war effort against Ukraine. Double bonus? Maybe spread the strikes around, rumor has it the Kremlin has some nasty hackers operating out of it.



These people are literally killing American citizens. The weakest and most vulnerable amongst us. Targeting hospitals and those in need of medication. Who are we as a nation if we ignore this?



Republicans?
 
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K1052

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Least someone knows what is at stake if Ukraine loses.
France is starting to consider what they must do, including sending in military forces.

NATO vs Russia in all out war is what happens with the United State's betrayal of Ukraine.

Le Monde: France considering possibility of allowing military units to cross border of Ukraine


Ground presence in Western Ukraine to facilitate training and logistics, properly covered by French (and possibly others) AD would let Ukraine reallocate resources to the east.
Ukrainians could get the Lviv airport open which would be a big help.

What they could really use is additional CAP for central Ukraine to defend against drones and cruise missiles.
 

Young Grasshopper

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French President Emmanuel Macron and German Chancellor Olaf Scholz are not getting along, and Macron's recent suggestion of a possible deployment of Western troops in Ukraine has further fueled the disagreement, Bloomberg reported on March 1, citing unnamed officials familiar with the matter.

The reports about the alleged dispute between two leaders who are among Ukraine's key allies came amid Russia's attempts to advance in several sectors in the east and south of Ukraine following the withdrawal of Ukrainian troops from Avdiivka in Donetsk Oblast and uncertainty over stalled U.S. aid to Kyiv.

In case you’re not able to 2 + 2 together, the root of all of this IMO is Macron is still salty @ Putin for using Russian influence to boot the French out of Africa, where they had access to cheap uranium for their nuclear reactors:

1-Macron sends Scalp missiles to Ukraine

2-Macron criticizes Schultz’s for not sending Taurus missiles

3-Schultz then casually mentions, to the entire world that France already has troops on the ground, theoretically jeopardizing the safety of those French troops

4-And now supposedly there is a leaked call where Germans are discussing blowing up the Crimean bridge. Was it the French that leaked this call to the Russians?

Very interesting to see how this is going to play out!🍿
 

RnR_au

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More countries should take the "unofficial" training wheels off.
Would be interesting if Western countries told their soldiers that if they wished to volunteer in Ukraine, they would be happy to offer combat pay and a full kit.
 

raildogg

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Ukraine's military is so destroyed that the West has to "rush" aid to them, send rushed military packages. And Ukraine has to recruit old men and women to fight because it cannot fight young men anymore to fight. But Russia lost a few pieces of land. Great victory for the American hegemony!

Even Syrsky, a man who is known to not care too much about losing soldiers, he had to withdraw from Avdiivka. This is OK according to Ukraine fanatics for some reason. Replacing Zaluzhny with Syrsky in the middle of the battles is a great success story I am told. We have to remember that Zaluzhny was very popular with his soldiers, just not with Zelensky.

And France says it wants to maybe send soldiers in the future to fight Russia. This means that Ukraine is winning? If it were then why do French need to get involved? It is a very weird situation but Western military companies are happy. Lockheed, Boeing, etc are very, very happy. There does not seem to be many winners here except for these people and US politicians. Defense industry in America and US politicians - a good combination to make a lot of money.

Meanwhile, Russia advancements into Kharkiv continuing?


"On January 27-28, 2024, the Russians announced the capture of the village of Tabaivka in the Kharkiv region, but the Institute for the Study of War (ISW) has no evidence to support this claim. At the same time, DeepState analysts reported that the occupiers did occupy the village. At the time, ISW analysts noted in a report that the Russian army had recently made a confirmed advance northeast of Kupiansk.

Before the full-scale invasion, 34 people lived there. The Russian side claimed that it was already in control of the settlement.

A little earlier, Russian troops seized the village of Krokhmalne in the Kharkiv region. This was also reported on January 20, 2024, by the Institute for the Study of War, citing geolocation images."
 
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fskimospy

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Ukraine's military is so destroyed that the West has to "rush" aid to them, send rushed military packages. And Ukraine has to recruit old men and women to fight because it cannot fight young men anymore to fight. But Russia lost a few pieces of land. Great victory for the American hegemony!

Even Syrsky, a man who is known to not care too much about losing soldiers, he had to withdraw from Avdiivka. This is OK according to Ukraine fanatics for some reason. Replacing Zaluzhny with Syrsky in the middle of the battles is a great success story I am told. We have to remember that Zaluzhny was very popular with his soldiers, just not with Zelensky.

And France says it wants to maybe send soldiers in the future to fight Russia. This means that Ukraine is winning? If it were then why do French need to get involved? It is a very weird situation but Western military companies are happy. Lockheed, Boeing, etc are very, very happy.
So to be clear you are like genocidal invasions like in Gaza, right?

If you are mad about what Israel is doing can you describe to us your apoplectic rage at what Russia is doing?
 

raildogg

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Russia right now is fighting against NATO and America, who are trying to destroy it. Very different situation even though you shamelessly try to bring Gaza and Ukraine into the same sentence. And if you really want to bring Gaza into this, well to be honest, it is America also committing genocide there as well. So you have a losing argument on all sides. It is American bombs falling and killing thousands of innocent civilians in Gaza. It is America taxpayer money in Israel and it is American spare parts for the fighter jets - all designed to commit genocide.

Tell me, Ukraine lost almost all its weapons in the first few months of the war. Since then, it is all Western stuff. This means that Russia views this as the West vs Russia. Does Russia surrender and go home? No, it has made it clear no NATO membership to Ukraine and Georgia, as was shown in the previous invasion. You don't like it? Well, that's their neighborhood. You don't like Cuba being communist so you have destroyed their economy for many decades through sanctions. And even have a military base there so Russia or China cannot get involved. Let's have some fair standards. I do not see China setting up base in Mexico and if it did, we will see American invasion of Mexico today.
 
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kage69

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Damn, those Ukrainian old men and women can bring it.







Just another day making piles of dead orcs. Putin's going to have to find more convicts and conscripts soon, I think his supply of poor unprofessional mercs from places like Nepal is drying up.
 
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raildogg

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And yet, Russia is on the offensive on many fronts ...

Does this mean Russian industrial capacity strong or maybe those numbers are not too accurate? Maybe both?!
 

cytg111

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Speaking on treasonous behavioral traits; how many US Republicans have been vocally dismissive of Putins execution of Navalny?
 
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