Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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Jaskalas

Lifer
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Do you think a western aligned Ukraine was actually a thread to Sevastopol?
When answering the question "why Ukraine", we are talking about Russian aggression and their "thinking" behind the subject.
"Actually" has nothing to do with it.

Others pointed out a big part that I failed to mention, a Democratic Ukraine would be too big for Russians to ignore as they sit in the squalor of tyranny. Putin wanted to devour that before it devoured him.
Though, maybe a reason people brought that up - was to paint Ukraine as uniquely desired by Russia, as if Russia would not just keep expanding. Some people want us to imagine that the threat of Russia is contained to Ukraine.

To which I add:

US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin "Russian President Vladimir Putin will not stop at Ukraine"

 

Jaskalas

Lifer
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The countries bordering Russia disagree with you. What do you think you know that they don’t?
Disagree with what?
I am telling you Russia will proceed to attacking more countries, including NATO, if Russia achieves victory in Ukraine.
 
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balloonshark

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I'm curious if some of russia's recent success is because they have access to phony stark's equipment. It sure seems like things have picked up for them since it was mentioned earlier in this topic.
 

kage69

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Could be. I don't think it's the NK ammo, too many duds, and the ones that work are sometimes damaging the guns.

Having that kind of wireless bandwidth/latency to use is a considerable asset. It's why the CCP is currently rageshitting itself over SpaceX building the StarShield network for the Pentagon. The thought of Taiwan someday using it to emulate Ukraine's success with Starlink is making Xi foam at the mouth.

Russia's Lancets and their operators have gotten better, I know that. I saw they finally got themselves an Archer. They may have hit some more Abrams too. On the bright side, AFU has good amounts of ammo and drones now. That 47th is quite proficient in using Bradleys to blow away orcs like lint. I hope they're swimming in 25mm now, gonna need it. Putin's "election" theater is over, so here comes the mobilization I guess. More meat on the horizon.
 

K1052

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Putin's "election" theater is over, so here comes the mobilization I guess. More meat on the horizon.

We should send the Czechs out into the world with briefcases full of cash from seized Russia funds to buy whatever isn't nailed down. Don't care where it comes from. Don't want to know. We'll pretend we can't read the markings. If it explodes just put it on the truck.
 
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you2

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We should send the Czechs out into the world with briefcases full of cash from seized Russia funds to buy whatever isn't nailed down. Don't care where it comes from. Don't want to know. We'll pretend we can't read the markings. If it explodes just put it on the truck.
We can't congress won't allocate any money towards defending Ukraine.
 

Dave_5k

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We can reprogram DOD money even if the supplemental or something similar does not pass.
Simply should revalue all of the DOD expired munitions - like hundreds of M39/M39A1 ATACMS missiles - with a more appropriate negative value based on disposal cost (which would be quite significant). Then ship them to Ukraine with other more recent munitions, to bring net value of shipment to ~zero. No budget required.
 

kage69

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We should send the Czechs out into the world with briefcases full of cash from seized Russia funds to buy whatever isn't nailed down. Don't care where it comes from. Don't want to know. We'll pretend we can't read the markings. If it explodes just put it on the truck.

Damn straight. Expired? No worries, hand it over. Illumination rounds? We'll still take'em. Missing parts? Doesn't matter.

Skip those disposal fees and proceed straight to your own shopping spree, Czechia will take care of it. I can see that going far.
 

itsmydamnation

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Simply should revalue all of the DOD expired munitions - like hundreds of M39/M39A1 ATACMS missiles - with a more appropriate negative value based on disposal cost (which would be quite significant). Then ship them to Ukraine with other more recent munitions, to bring net value of shipment to ~zero. No budget required.
no negative budget , ie you can also spend the money we would of had to have spent on disposal on more weapons
 

Perknose

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Simply should revalue all of the DOD expired munitions - like hundreds of M39/M39A1 ATACMS missiles - with a more appropriate negative value based on disposal cost (which would be quite significant). Then ship them to Ukraine with other more recent munitions, to bring net value of shipment to ~zero. No budget required.
It's frustrating to me how little the press picks up on this calculus. It's the national security bargain of the century. The Republican Party should be all over this.
 

Pipeline 1010

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The Republican Party should be all over this.

You appear to have missed the part where Biden supports this. They have no ideology anymore beyond "anti-Biden". Sometimes it's like they don't even know what their political stance is on an issue until they see what side Biden picks. Then they can simply pick the opposite side.

I won't be surprised if the right learns that Biden loves Jesus and therefore the right now worships Ba'al.
 

trenchfoot

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All roads filled with potholes, fissures, sinkholes and drop-offs lead back to Trump. Preventing Ukraine from getting aid must be at the top of his revenge and retribution list since his attempt at coercing Zelenskyy into a quid pro quo missiles-for-dirt-on-Biden scandal got exposed and made him "look bad". Amazing how Trump is not POTUS yet his ability toward infecting our foreign policy with his personal agenda is still as effective as if he were.

It has to be that the Free World can't wait for him lose to Biden again. They all know for a fact how dangerous Trump is to them. I mean, just look at how he's making Ukraine suffer for the sick thrills he gets out of it.
 
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misuspita

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That's the power of corruption and kissassers.

- Can we do it in a week, Shoigu? Gerasimov?
- a week? no, we can do it in 3 days sire!
- fine, get ukraine in a week and then we'll take moldova and the baltics.
 

K1052

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Ukraine working to restore container service to the Black Sea ports. If the insurance is handled then it should just be a matter of time.
This would be extremely useful to their economy. It would also be nice if RoRo ferry service to Chornomorsk was restored as well.

The Russians are not interested in interdicting this traffic because they cannot risk their own trade route for exports and losing more very expensive BSF assets is not something they have a big appetite for right now.

https://maritime-executive.com/arti...t-container-shipping-and-build-danube-exports

Ukraine looks to restore container traffic after its success since August 2023 at building grain shipments on its Black Sea corridor. Government officials highlight the addition of container service as well as the expansion of shipments on the Danube will support both the exports as well as increase imports while lowering the cost of goods and transport for Ukrainian businesses.

"The negotiations with the owners of containerships are ongoing, and we've already settled the insurance matter under the Ukraine Facility program," member of parliament and deputy minister Dmytro Solomchuk is quoted as saying in an interview on the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine website. "It's crucial that both container shipowners and product customers have a vested interest in insurance. Funds for this are already secured. I'm confident that the beginning of container transportation will undoubtedly bring significant economic benefits."
 

K1052

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What arms we can expect to see on Ukraine's F-16s coming into view a bit. SBDs are good because they are relatively inexpensive, have enough useful range, and Boeing can make 10,000 a year easily. Even assuming somewhat inflated unit costs this should buy around 2,500 to 3,000.

Now do SLAM-ER and JSOW.

 

itsmydamnation

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To me the big pieces would be anti radiation and AIM-120. hopefully pushing VKS and the Russian air defence further and further back.
 

K1052

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To me the big pieces would be anti radiation and AIM-120. hopefully pushing VKS and the Russian air defence further and further back.

They already get AGM-88s and AIM-120s. To kill off the more capable Russian S-300 systems they need more ATACMS which can strike quickly at range.
 

itsmydamnation

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They already get AGM-88s and AIM-120s. To kill off the more capable Russian S-300 systems they need more ATACMS which can strike quickly at range.
They dont have integration on the AGM-88 and they dont have AIM-120 on an aircraft with a radar that can engage at long distance.

/We are not the same meme
 

K1052

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They dont have integration on the AGM-88 and they dont have AIM-120 on an aircraft with a radar that can engage at long distance.

/We are not the same meme

Huh? AGM-88 and AIM-120 are both integrated on the F-16 MLUs they are getting. The only real question I have is if the frames being transferred are getting radar upgrades that will let them take advantage of the full range of AIM-120C. Even if not the upgrade over their Mig-29s is quite substantial which have much more limited capabilities.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
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Putin's "election" theater is over, so here comes the mobilization I guess. More meat on the horizon.
That's the secret cap, Russia is always mobilizing. They simply stopped talking about it.

Initial invasion force of 200,000.
Current casulties: 440,000.
Orcs still in Ukraine: 5-600,000.

Russia has not stopped picking people up and throwing them as meat since late 2022.
 
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