I'm going to disagree. It is an interesting problem; in order to get support from the USA; Trump cannot be elected; and increase in oil prices increases the chance of Trump being elected. USA is one of Ukraine largest supporter in terms of weapons.
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Now having said that I'm not sure if Ukraine is better off destroying those refineries or waiting till after the election - after all they are falling into a pretty desperate position while Johnson holds up aide. I.e, I'm not saying that they should stop destroying the refineries but they might be better off long term if they did - hard to predict the future.
United States urged Ukraine to stop targeting Russian oil refineries. Sadly the actual article is pay-walled.
Russia has been attacking Ukraine's energy infrastructure from the very beginning - clearly Ukraine is causing Russia a lot of pain if they have started flailing like this.Guess the ‘military strategists’ in this thread who were talking about this just a few days ago didn’t realize it would cause the price of oil to spike, making Russia richer and us poorer, nor did they think Russia would retaliate with their own strikes against Ukrainian energy infrastructure, much lien they did yesterday with massive missile strikes in major cities like they did yesterday.
Back to the drawing board right guys?
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Russia has been attacking Ukraine's energy infrastructure from the very beginning - clearly Ukraine is causing Russia a lot of pain if they have started flailing like this.
Speaking of master strategists I still remember how you were crowing when the war started about how Russia was going to bring Europe to its knees using their reliance on Russian energy. When Europe just shrugged this off you suddenly stopped bringing it up. lol.
Then again that was when you were still pretending to be a lover of peace.
One could argue that humanity is terminal. That despite the best efforts of world building, our natural instinct is to divide into tribes and tear each other apart.Yea, we kind of thought you cut the cancer out 2020… Why the fuck is it still pestering? Is it terminal?
Well to be fair the promise was only to not invade Ukraine, not come to its active defense. The west kept that promise - Russia? Not so much.Doesn't sound like they intend to stop what they are doing and until/unless the supplemental passes the US has minimal bargaining power.
Also correctly point out the promises that the west made them when they gave up the nukes.
Well to be fair the promise was only to not invade Ukraine, not come to its active defense. The west kept that promise - Russia? Not so much.
nor did they think Russia would retaliate with their own strikes against Ukrainian energy infrastructure, much like they did yesterday with massive missile strikes in major cities like they did yesterday
It's always stunning to me how the bully blames the victim. When the victim fights back, the bully accuses the victim of attacking them and then justifies their "retaliation".
YG, if I walked up to you and punched you in the face because you own something I want, and then you responded by kicking me in the balls, would I now have a valid reason to "retaliate" against your strikes? I mean, what kind of piece of shit fights back against a gloriously noble and moral bully, right?
Is it important to US interest to turn fascist and perform fellatio on Vladimir Putin? As an inspirational view towards your collective future you could take a peak at the average Joe… Yuri in Russia and see how well that works out for him. You cant speak with Yuri right now, he is busy performing an act of meatwave, but you can read about him in the papers tomorrow.It's always easier to point fingers outward but when it comes to the United States the finger should be pointed inward encapsulating everyone within.
On a national scale, independent of whoever is in whatever role or capacity, the United States persists in looking out for its interests.
Ultimately, Russian and Ukrainian lives mean little to the interests of the United States. Or, people of any other country for that matter. If we can profit or find some way to project power and influence (preferably all of the above) then that is what we are interested in. The United States has no friends, then again does any country. We have business partners. Contracts. We barely give a legitimate shit about our own across the board, we are happy to eat our own so long as it means climbing a ladder. Then we're expected to give a shit about other people elsewhere ... for free, with nothing in it for us?
We are all about photo ops, fame and envisioning ourselves better than the other people across the aisle. That we're more righteous, that what we think matters more, that what we do is more important, that we ourselves are more important. It is on display here every single fucking day, all the mud slinging from one side to the other when reality and truth tends to fall somewhere in the middle. You can take the American out of America but you can't take the America out of the American when push comes to shove. Democrats. Republicans. They're still Americans, love or hate'em.
This is why it is critically important for the EU to get its shit together and quit imagining the Americans will be there around every corner and bend if shit hits the fan. Poland has the right idea, 3% of GDP to defense. Right now, should be 10% plus. What good are social programs if you have foreign boots on your soil. Something needs to give. Make it so you aren't the lowest hanging fruit, Russia picks targets they perceive as weak like most bullies do. You needn't outrun a bear, you just can't be found the slowest.
If you don't like attacks on energy infrastructure you're going to be so mad when you learn what Russia has been up to for the last few years.Isn’t Ukraine supposed to be taking its territory back? Isn’t that what their goal is? Focus on that instead of useless attacks to try and score some PR wins.
But if Ukraine wants to play dirty, Russia is demonstrating they can play dirty as well. Keep it up and watch Ukraine plunge into darkness.
Is it important to US interest to turn fascist and perform fellatio on Vladimir Putin? As an inspirational view towards your collective future you could take a peak at the average Joe… Yuri in Russia and see how well that works out for him. You cant speak with Yuri right now, he is busy performing an act of meatwave, but you can read about him in the papers tomorrow.
The biggest threat to European democracy and security right now is not Russia. Its the USA - in the form of an Orange fat slob that is hellbent on sucking Putins cock in every way imaginable.
If you guys fall. EVERYONE falls. Have you see the size of your military? IC? What is Europe supposed to do? Fight off autocracy from Russia China AND the US? Uhm. Ok!
We’ve already given Ukraine 200 billion+ dollars and they’re getting destroyed, but somehow you think another 60 billion is going to turn the tide of this war? Hilarious.
Today I learned Afghanistan wasn’t a war.We’ve already given Ukraine 200 billion+ dollars and they’re getting destroyed, but somehow you think another 60 billion is going to turn the tide of this war? Hilarious.
Amazing how the Biden administration has brainwashed its followers into thinking Trump is responsible for all of its foreign policy failures. We went from 0 wars under Trump to now 3 under Biden, but it’s all Trumps fault! A guy who hasn’t been in office in nearly 4 years.
You can’t make this stuff up.
My first thought is the FSB to fire the populace up for the next mobilization directive. Blame it on the Ukrainians, wouldn’t be the first time Putin has bombed his own people for propaganda purposes.I think my money is on ISIS-K for this. With Russian security forces overstretched to say the least there were bound to be sizable gaps at home.
The US in the past has warned other less than friendly nations about info we have on their potential attacks and often been ignored. The Iranians recently come to mind. I would not be surprised if we in fact warned Russia in this case.
Russia is also engaging in another wave of mobilization because apparently they are winning so hard.Russians are riding into battle in T-55s without ERA and Chinese golf carts because they can't defeat a nation with less than 1/3rd of its population and the GDP of Nebraska.
Russians are riding into battle in T-55s without ERA and Chinese golf carts because they can't defeat a nation with less than 1/3rd of its population and the GDP of Nebraska.
The US is in too many wars! (Actually in zero wars)Says the guy who lives in a coalition of countries who are digging thru their couch cushions looking for artillery shells because they are slowly getting demilitarized by the Russians.
How long would this war last without NATOs help? Not very long.
The way I see it, a country with the GDP of Nebraska is defeating a military coalition with a combined GDP of nearly 50 trillion. Not bad, not bad at all.
BTW, when is NATO going to give Ukraine a punchers chance and puts some boots on the ground? Easy to defeat a country with a GDP of Nebraska right?
Getting barraged by the Houthi’s in the Middle East with misiles and drones, and still won’t put boots on the ground in Yemen cause they’re scared of Iran.
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