Should the Allies have negotiated with Hitler to prevent more loss of life during WW2?
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I am angry at violence and lack of peace, yes. That is why immediate negotiations are a must to prevent more loss of life. I have made that clear. I respect Ukraine and their soldiers have fought bravely, no doubt. Because if this war continues, as I have noted in several posts of detailed info, the Russians are simply grinding down the Ukrainians and taking more territory.
April 5 "Russia delivered 39 massive strikes on Ukrainian military, energy and mercenaries’ deployment sites over the week in retaliation to Kiev’s attempts to damage its oil and gas and energy facilities, the Russian Defense Ministry reported on Friday."
So if this continues, Ukraine will suffer much more if there is a competition with targeting energy infrastructure. This is because Ukraine is already have constrained in energy and Russia not so much.
Of course they were! Russia has been attacking Ukrainian power infrastructure from the very start - openly bragging about it in fact. Even for degenerate liars like you guys it’s pretty impressive to pretend that you only started doing this recently.
Boy those refinery strikes you all have been bragging about were a great idea weren’t they?
Another thing to note is Russia has shown no interest in negotiations outside of total capitulation. Even if Russian promises weren’t worthless what is there to negotiate about?Should the Allies have negotiated with Hitler to prevent more lose of life during WW2?
Realize how demented you have to be to celebrate Fascists Pigs bombing achievements vs civilian infrastructure. It has to be the kind of psychology that also enjoys watching animals on fire.
Boy those refinery strikes you all have been bragging about were a great idea weren’t they?
Boy those refinery strikes you all have been bragging about were a great idea weren’t they?
Yup. If you weren’t aware Zor is definitely not on Ukraines side in this three day special operation.Holy fuck
American election year.Signal to noise ratio is out of control in this thread
I mean it makes sense. The only hope Russia has for a favorable outcome in Ukraine is for Trump to win. We saw in his first term that he’s a Russian agent and that he’s totally subservient to Putin so why wouldn’t they want to try and subvert our elections?American election year.
Russians will grow bored of us once it no longer impacts the outcome.
Realize how demented you have to be to celebrate Fascists Pigs bombing achievements vs civilian infrastructure. It has to be the kind of psychology that also enjoys watching animals on fire.
Bud, the only fascists here would be those who refused to give peace a chance and were cheerleading for more war. This all could have ended 2 years ago with Ukraine agreeing to the peace deal that was negotiated between Ukraine and Russia in Instanbul.
Ukraine pulled out(again) at the behest of Boris Johnson and NATO. I guess from NATOs perspective, a 2 month long war at that point wasn’t enough time to ‘try out’ their useless sanctions and see how they would work. Or their ‘combined arms’ warfare. Or how they’re ’air defenses’ work against Russian missiles.
Maybe one day you will see this war was nothing more than a test run for NATO to see how sanctions, warfare strategy, and air defenses would actually work in a direct war with Russia. Oh and how could I forget, launder billions of US/european taxpayer money thru Ukraine and right back into the pockets of the military industrial complex.
Time to throw in the towel guys. Better to negotiate peace with the Russians now, versus Ukraine being left a rump state, being bombed back to the Stone Age, along with NATO getting humiliated in the process.
The people who didn't give peace a chance were Russia, as they are the ones who invaded Ukraine multiple times.Bud, the only fascists here would be those who refused to give peace a chance and were cheerleading for more war. This all could have ended 2 years ago with Ukraine agreeing to the peace deal that was negotiated between Ukraine and Russia in Instanbul.
Ukraine pulled out(again) at the behest of Boris Johnson and NATO. I guess from NATOs perspective, a 2 month long war at that point wasn’t enough time to ‘try out’ their useless sanctions and see how they would work. Or their ‘combined arms’ warfare. Or how they’re ’air defenses’ work against Russian missiles.
Maybe one day you will see this war was nothing more than a test run for NATO to see how sanctions, warfare strategy, and air defenses would actually work in a direct war with Russia. Oh and how could I forget, launder billions of US/european taxpayer money thru Ukraine and right back into the pockets of the military industrial complex.
Time to throw in the towel guys. Better to negotiate peace with the Russians now, versus Ukraine being left a rump state, being bombed back to the Stone Age, along with NATO getting humiliated in the process.
Bud, the only fascists here would be those who refused to give peace a chance and were cheerleading for more war. This all could have ended 2 years ago with Ukraine agreeing to the peace deal that was negotiated between Ukraine and Russia in Instanbul.
Ukraine pulled out(again) at the behest of Boris Johnson and NATO. I guess from NATOs perspective, a 2 month long war at that point wasn’t enough time to ‘try out’ their useless sanctions and see how they would work. Or their ‘combined arms’ warfare. Or how they’re ’air defenses’ work against Russian missiles.
And really what is the point. Russia already HAD a negotiated deal to respect Ukraine's territorial integrity and they violated it. Why bother with a new one that we know Russia will violate as soon as it's advantageous?There was no negotiated deal in Instanbul because Putin never signed off on the terms.
Bud, the only fascists here would be those who refused to give peace a chance and were cheerleading for more war. This all could have ended 2 years ago with Ukraine agreeing to the peace deal that was negotiated between Ukraine and Russia in Instanbul.
Ukraine pulled out(again) at the behest of Boris Johnson and NATO. I guess from NATOs perspective, a 2 month long war at that point wasn’t enough time to ‘try out’ their useless sanctions and see how they would work. Or their ‘combined arms’ warfare. Or how they’re ’air defenses’ work against Russian missiles.
Maybe one day you will see this war was nothing more than a test run for NATO to see how sanctions, warfare strategy, and air defenses would actually work in a direct war with Russia. Oh and how could I forget, launder billions of US/european taxpayer money thru Ukraine and right back into the pockets of the military industrial complex.
Time to throw in the towel guys. Better to negotiate peace with the Russians now, versus Ukraine being left a rump state, being bombed back to the Stone Age, along with NATO getting humiliated in the process.
Russia seized farm land own by a Dutch company under claims Netherlands is a hostile country.
Russia Seizes Over 650,000 Acres Of Farmland And Other Assets From Company With Ties To 'Unfriendly' Country
In a significant escalation of its retaliatory measures against “unfriendly” states amid heightened geopolitical tensions, Russia has seized assets of the agricultural holdings company AgroTerra Group. The move, announced on April 8, 2024, has sent shockwaves through the agricultural sector and...finance.yahoo.com
I think it is time that all these 'hostile' countries seize Russian assets and use them to buy weapons for Ukraine. Stop dragging your feet Russia is a lawless land that deserves no international respect of 'due' process.
OMG, f off with the Ukraine could make peace nonsense.
I think you should ask yourself this same question.Interesting to see people make accusations of someone being a Putin apologist or Russia apologist or a bot. Very childish arguments, especially from people who repeat CIA/media and American political talking points. But these people have no ability to reflect on what they are saying so I cannot fault them too much. It's hard to break from the conditioning and criticizing one's own country is beyond their ability.
The answer to this should be entirely obvious. The US wants Russia to lose, but doesn't want to get in a direct shooting war with a nuclear power. And really, our strategy of supplying Ukraine did catastrophic damage to the Russian Army at very limited expense to the US so it's not like our strategy wasn't effective.Question to the Americans: Why don't you send your military to fight Russia since you want to beat Russia so badly? The other European countries don't need to be discussed as they are largely irrelevant in terms of power and military. The issue here is America. So if America feels so strongly about supporting Ukraine, why are you letting Ukrainians lose so much? Why not go ahead now and fight Russia? Are you waiting for Ukraine to lose and then you will go?
Russia has been targeting Ukrainian infrastructure since the very beginning of the war. They appear to have simply freaked out about Ukraine returning the favor.So now, instead of making political points or talking about opinions, why not talk about facts on the ground?
-Russia is targeting Ukrainian power plants it seems. Not surprising because Ukraine was targeting these things inside Russia as well.
NATO is and always has been essentially the US, and it's not like the US needs any help in taking out Russia's Army if we chose to. Look at what Ukraine has done to it with our castoffs and old equipment. Can you imagine the slaughter if the US decided to actually get involved?Ukrainska Pravda:
"On Thursday morning, 11 April, the Russians carried out another attack on Kharkiv Oblast. The attack damaged the thermal power plant that supplies Kharkiv and completely destroyed a transformer substation."
As mentioned before, Kharkov is under contention now as even embassies are asking their people to leave.
Here is more reporting on the stupidity of some European countries, such as Estonia. They are truly foolish.
Estonian foreign minister says Ukraine's strikes on Russian refineries are self-defence
Estonian Foreign Minister Margus Tsahkna believes that Ukraine's attacks on Russian oil refineries are justified since they help curb Russia's revenues and make it harder for Russia to wage war.
Estonian foreign minister says Ukraineâs strikes on Russian refineries are self-defence
Estonian Foreign Minister Margus Tsahkna believes that Ukraineâs attacks on Russian oil refineries are justified since they help curb Russiaâs revenues and make it harder for Russia to wage war.www.pravda.com.ua
So this moron is actually going against US policy since US discourages Ukrainians from attacking Russian oil refineries.
I tell you, even if someone thought NATO was good before, now we are seeing total lack of cohesion here. NATO is being shown as a disorganized group of countries bunched up together. If there is war, their lack of common culture and common fighting ability will be revealed.
As per point 1 here China is calling for Russia to fully withdraw from Ukraine. If Russia withdrew the war would be over tomorrow so yes I agree, China's position is a good one.China wants political settlement to Ukraine-Russia conflict and this is a good way to start.
China’s Position on the Political Settlement of the Ukraine Crisis
2023-02-24 09:00
1. Respecting the sovereignty of all countries. Universally recognized international law, including the purposes and principles of the United Nations Charter, must be strictly observed. The sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of all countries must be effectively upheld. All countries, big or small, strong or weak, rich or poor, are equal members of the international community. All parties should jointly uphold the basic norms governing international relations and defend international fairness and justice. Equal and uniform application of international law should be promoted, while double standards must be rejected.
2. Abandoning the Cold War mentality. The security of a country should not be pursued at the expense of others. The security of a region should not be achieved by strengthening or expanding military blocs. The legitimate security interests and concerns of all countries must be taken seriously and addressed properly. There is no simple solution to a complex issue. All parties should, following the vision of common, comprehensive, cooperative and sustainable security and bearing in mind the long-term peace and stability of the world, help forge a balanced, effective and sustainable European security architecture. All parties should oppose the pursuit of one’s own security at the cost of others’ security, prevent bloc confrontation, and work together for peace and stability on the Eurasian Continent.
3. Ceasing hostilities. Conflict and war benefit no one. All parties must stay rational and exercise restraint, avoid fanning the flames and aggravating tensions, and prevent the crisis from deteriorating further or even spiraling out of control. All parties should support Russia and Ukraine in working in the same direction and resuming direct dialogue as quickly as possible, so as to gradually deescalate the situation and ultimately reach a comprehensive ceasefire.
4. Resuming peace talks. Dialogue and negotiation are the only viable solution to the Ukraine crisis. All efforts conducive to the peaceful settlement of the crisis must be encouraged and supported. The international community should stay committed to the right approach of promoting talks for peace, help parties to the conflict open the door to a political settlement as soon as possible, and create conditions and platforms for the resumption of negotiation. China will continue to play a constructive role in this regard.
5. Resolving the humanitarian crisis. All measures conducive to easing the humanitarian crisis must be encouraged and supported. Humanitarian operations should follow the principles of neutrality and impartiality, and humanitarian issues should not be politicized. The safety of civilians must be effectively protected, and humanitarian corridors should be set up for the evacuation of civilians from conflict zones. Efforts are needed to increase humanitarian assistance to relevant areas, improve humanitarian conditions, and provide rapid, safe and unimpeded humanitarian access, with a view to preventing a humanitarian crisis on a larger scale. The UN should be supported in playing a coordinating role in channeling humanitarian aid to conflict zones.
6. Protecting civilians and prisoners of war (POWs). Parties to the conflict should strictly abide by international humanitarian law, avoid attacking civilians or civilian facilities, protect women, children and other victims of the conflict, and respect the basic rights of POWs. China supports the exchange of POWs between Russia and Ukraine, and calls on all parties to create more favorable conditions for this purpose.
7. Keeping nuclear power plants safe. China opposes armed attacks against nuclear power plants or other peaceful nuclear facilities, and calls on all parties to comply with international law including the Convention on Nuclear Safety (CNS) and resolutely avoid man-made nuclear accidents. China supports the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in playing a constructive role in promoting the safety and security of peaceful nuclear facilities.
8. Reducing strategic risks. Nuclear weapons must not be used and nuclear wars must not be fought. The threat or use of nuclear weapons should be opposed. Nuclear proliferation must be prevented and nuclear crisis avoided. China opposes the research, development and use of chemical and biological weapons by any country under any circumstances.
9. Facilitating grain exports. All parties need to implement the Black Sea Grain Initiative signed by Russia, Türkiye, Ukraine and the UN fully and effectively in a balanced manner, and support the UN in playing an important role in this regard. The cooperation initiative on global food security proposed by China provides a feasible solution to the global food crisis.
10. Stopping unilateral sanctions. Unilateral sanctions and maximum pressure cannot solve the issue; they only create new problems. China opposes unilateral sanctions unauthorized by the UN Security Council. Relevant countries should stop abusing unilateral sanctions and “long-arm jurisdiction” against other countries, so as to do their share in deescalating the Ukraine crisis and create conditions for developing countries to grow their economies and better the lives of their people.
11. Keeping industrial and supply chains stable. All parties should earnestly maintain the existing world economic system and oppose using the world economy as a tool or weapon for political purposes. Joint efforts are needed to mitigate the spillovers of the crisis and prevent it from disrupting international cooperation in energy, finance, food trade and transportation and undermining the global economic recovery.
12. Promoting post-conflict reconstruction. The international community needs to take measures to support post-conflict reconstruction in conflict zones. China stands ready to provide assistance and play a constructive role in this endeavor.
China’s Position on the Political Settlement of the Ukraine Crisis
www.fmprc.gov.cn