Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

[kage69]

NATO was defeated, in an 20 year war, against a country without a a single tank, plane or boat. But somehow they’re supposed to defeat Russia!

😅

Try winning a war first bud before talking tough.

Triggered. Soviet death toll in Afghanistan does that to you though I guess.

Yeah. I remember my first beer...

 

[kage69]

Remember how Shah Massoud and his 1k-5k muj made utter fools of 30k Soviets with SF, armor, air power, and artillery? Not once, not twice, but ten offensives. And that's why they called him the Lion.

That's also how Soviets racked up triple the losses of NATO, and in half the time.

But thanks cyka, it's good you bring that up periodically, the readers here need to be reminded that piss poor performance in war is nothing new for the Russians. Look on the bright side, I suppose it's not as humiliating as getting their asses kicked by civilians in Chechnya, right?

 

[Perknose]

It is very evident that the US had no intention of helping Ukraine even as the country's defenses are crumbling. The US is now focused on the Middle East as the Israeli political pressures on the US are too strong. No way 99% of Republicans and 97% of Democrats would prioritize Ukraine over Israel.

There are now signals that Kharkov, Ukraine's second largest city, is under threat of Russian capture. This is very big and it seems like the US has abandoned Ukraine. Poor Ukrainians did not realize that they cannot compete with Israel when it comes to the US's attention. What can the Europeans do now?

Your glee at what you think is the death of Ukraine is unseemly . . . and very, very telling.

 

[trenchfoot]

It is very evident that Trump and his Republican sycophants had no intention of helping Ukraine even as the country's defenses are crumbling.

Fixed that for 'ya. Just to make things actually truthful and factual. Not because you were lying about it......but yeah.

edit - added the word "you"

 

[raildogg]

No, I just report facts. No glee. However, it is many Westerners who feel glee at hurting Russia and Russians. I have seen it many times.

In fact, the dehumanizing of Russians (and others) I have seen is very hard to fathom to be honest. This is dangerous and apparently it is OK. No other group in the world, maybe a few others, can get this dehumanized and it is allowed by various channels. So holding them accountable is justified because Russian government did something bad according to you? If so, we should have American people accountable for all the millions of deaths caused by America over the years. But reasonable people don't do this. The neocon American foreign policy is not represented by the American people. And this war between Russia and Ukraine should not be allowed to dehumanize an entire group of people ... but it has.

 

[raildogg]

Republicans or Democrats - they are largely the same in foreign policy. Defense contractors don't care about petty politics.

 

[raildogg]

kage69, you are way too propagandized.

Russia is changing Ukrainian language? Russia is stamping out Ukrainian identity?

It is the opposite if you look at it. Russian language, such as letter Z, and Russian orthodox churches are under attack in Ukraine. I don't see any of your points happening there. Yeah this war is terrible, horrible and brutal and it should have been avoided but you are simply too much.

 

[Young Grasshopper]

Remember how Shah Massoud and his 1k-5k muj made utter fools of 30k Soviets with SF, armor, air power, and artillery? Not once, not twice, but ten offensives. And that's why they called him the Lion.

That's also how Soviets racked up triple the losses of NATO, and in half the time.

But thanks cyka, it's good you bring that up periodically, the readers here need to be reminded that piss poor performance in war is nothing new for the Russians. Look on the bright side, I suppose it's not as humiliating as getting their asses kicked by civilians in Chechnya, right?

That’s was 40 years ago bud. We’re living in the present. NATO was defeated by the Taliban, when?

*checks watch*

Under the Biden presidency.

They even gave him a deadline on when to get out, and even took out a few of our troops in a terrorist attack.

Amazing how NATO is so great and Russia is so weak, that NATO just sits on the sideline watching Ukraine get bombed back into the Stone Age and does nothing.

Guess they saw what poking the Russian bear is doing to Ukraine, and they want none of it.

😁

 

[trenchfoot]

No, I just report facts. No glee. However, it is many Westerners who feel glee at hurting Russia and Russians. I have seen it many times.

In fact, the dehumanizing of Russians (and others) I have seen is very hard to fathom to be honest. This is dangerous and apparently it is OK. No other group in the world, maybe a few others, can get this dehumanized and it is allowed by various channels. So holding them accountable is justified because Russian government did something bad according to you? If so, we should have American people accountable for all the millions of deaths caused by America over the years. But reasonable people don't do this. The neocon American foreign policy is not represented by the American people. And this war between Russia and Ukraine should not be allowed to dehumanize an entire group of people ... but it has.

I really wonder if you know what facts are the way you misuse/abuse that term so often. It's like Trump is channelling himself through you 24/7/365. I know a conservative friend of mine uses the term "alternative facts" when he spouts them. Maybe you should stick with that for reality's sake.

 

[Drach]

"kage69, you are way too propagandized."

 

[kage69]

Republicans or Democrats - they are largely the same in foreign policy. Defense contractors don't care about petty politics.

You're not an American and critical thinking really isn't your thing, we get it.

Kind of amazing you're trying to BothSides anything involving the cult known as the GQP, but then this is what you do isn't it? Pretend that a Trumpist admin would not have veto'd a UN ceasefire resolution? I find Joe's resistance lacking even if I can admit he's put his foot down in a way none of his predecessors ever have.

If Trump were still an orange cum stain in the White House, he'd give Bibi free reign and Daisy Cutters, with plans for Trump branded seaside resorts and golf courses to follow (only slightly joking there).

I can tell you've never met a defense contractor in your short ignorant life. Just shocking.

 

[kage69]

kage69, you are way too propagandized.

Russia is changing Ukrainian language? Russia is stamping out Ukrainian identity?

It is the opposite if you look at it. Russian language, such as letter Z, and Russian orthodox churches are under attack in Ukraine. I don't see any of your points happening there. Yeah this war is terrible, horrible and brutal and it should have been avoided but you are simply too much.

Hilarious. You are way too dumb, way too cowardly, and I wish there wasn't a trail of it in the forum. I ask you to prove otherwise and you double down on proving me correct instead. Why are you so scared to answer my question rail? You have a surprising level of denial about details that have been uncontested for literally years now, how is it you are so ignorant? Can you see how the claims of propaganda, from somehow who sounds like they've been in a coma for 3 years, just don't work, like at all?


Your low information denial aside, I'm more interested in why you keep running from this quite simple question:


"If America invaded Mexico, for whatever reason, and started targeting civilians - killing them, torturing them, raping them, kidnapping children, attempting to stamp out Mexican identity and Spanish as a language... that would be bad, right?"


This is a hypothetical. Why the fear?

 

[raildogg]

Are you going to defend America for its role in Israel? Democrat or Republican, America arms and funds Israel regardless. End of discussion and the whole world has seen this. Without American arming and funding, Israel cannot do anything let alone committing ethnic cleansing. Thank you America, Democrats and Republicans.

Russia is not doing those things that you mentioned, period. End of stupid debate. You are asking retarded questions which have no basis for reality. There are many languages and cultures in Russia, they are not banned. Russia is not banning Ukrainian language or denying religious freedoms (though the orthodox church is shared).

You know what? Anti-Russian language measures were started in Ukraine before the conflict. This is on top of all the other atrocities committed against Russian language speakers and others living in Donbass, etc. Too much propaganda in you.

Democrat or Republican - US is a bully on the international stage. The respect is largely gone and the only thing remaining is the military power and economic power largely through the dollar. Ask people in many Eastern European, Middle Eastern, Asian and African countries about America. You will hear many negative things. We will not even go into South and Central America and all the American evil deeds there.

Republicans are pro-Israel and want more aid for Israel. Democrats are a little bit more balanced so they want aid for Israel and Ukraine. It is a matter of small amounts.

Trump? You think I like Trump? False. Trump proved he is a neocon pawn by scrapping Iran nuclear deal and killing General Soleimani. Plus he surrounded himself with scumbag neocons and warmongers such as John Bolton and Mike Pompeo. So no, I have no respect for any US political party.

 

[raildogg]

Little known to many Americans is US interference and manipulation in the South and Central American countries. This is still happening now as well.

The US contracts out its regime change operation in Nicaragua

John Perry From Masaya, Nicaragua An extraordinary leaked document gives a glimpse of the breadth and complexity of the US government’s plan to interfere in Nicaragua’s internal affairs up to and after its presidential election

coha.org

"Given the long history of US interference in Nicaragua, going back at least as far as William Walker’s assault on its capital and usurption of the presidency in 1856, the existence of a plan of this kind is hardly surprising. What’s unusual is that someone has made it publicly available and we can now see the plan in detail. Of course, the US has long developed a tool box of regime change methods short of direct military intervention, such as when it sent in the marines in the 1920s and 1930s or illegally funded and provided logistical support for the “Contra” forces in the 1980s. It now has more sophisticated methods, using local proxies, which are deniable in the unlikely event that they will be exposed by the international media (which normally displays little interest, being much more interested in electoral interference by Russia than it is in Washington’s disruption of the democratic processes)."

There is so much more than this. Regime change after regime change after regime change. Interfering with so many countries, destabilizing so many countries. This is US foreign policy under any regime, Democrat or Republican. Bush was a war criminal but now he is apparently loved by the mainstream media if I not mistaken. Shouldn't this scumbag be in jail for killing millions for no reason? Not in America. He is celebrated there. Obama bombed Syria and won the nobel peace prize:

Syria Becomes the 7th Predominantly Muslim Country Bombed by 2009 Nobel Peace Laureate

Empires bomb who they want, when they want, for whatever reason. And the U.S. will be at war, always.

theintercept.com

But the whole world should forget all this. No they won't and more people around the world are learning the true nature of America.

Thousands, maybe millions are protesting all over the world against Israel and guess which country alongside it? America

Thousands rally in Pakistan against Israel’s bombing in Gaza, chanting anti-American slogans - WTOP News

Thousands of supporters from Pakistan’s main religious political party rallied in the capital, Islamabad, on Sunday against Israel’s bombing of Palestinians in Gaza.

wtop.com

It's a shame because America is truly a land of opportunity. Too bad its ruling governments are psychopaths creating instability all over the world.

 

[kage69]

lol

Look at you cry and run about...

I'm laughing, don't get me wrong, but really, it's alarmingly pitiful what a cowardly hypocrite you are. You trying to tantrum away Russia's ongoing war crimes and efforts to erase Ukrainian identity, funny stuff. You don't get to end debate on anything, certainly not on established and confirmed history. All you can do is continue to make yourself look like a nihilistic kid who flunked school and likes to lie online.

I thought you'd puss out again, and you did not disappoint

How many blubbering retreats is that for you? I've lost count.

 

[raildogg]

Time to get on with the facts on the ground. Ukraine suffering very big and its time to end this war. I hope China intervenes very strongly and brings Ukraine and Russia to the table, then hope China can develop Ukraine. The West lacks this ability. China can quickly get Ukraine up and running and hope they can lead this cooperation with other nations, such as Belarus, which China also has good relations.

I've been talking about Kharkov for a while now, such as embassies evacuating, etc. Well it seems Russians want this city.

"Blackouts reported in several districts of Kharkiv"

"Aerial alert in Kharkiv and Sumy region of Ukraine due to the threat of Shahed drones"

"At Avdiyivka direction Russian army shelled Novokalynove, Novobakhmutivka, Semenivka, Netaylove of Donetsk region. Russian aviation conducted airstrikes at Umanske and Verkhnotoretske of Donetsk region, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the evening report"

"At Novopavlivka direction Russian army shelled Heorhiyivka, Paraskoviyivka, Kostyantynivka, Vuhledar of Donetsk region. Russian aviation conducted airstrikes at Staromykhaylivka, Vodyane, Volodymyrivka and Urozhayne of Donetsk region, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the evening report"

"At Kherson direction Russian army shelled Tyahynka, Ivanivka, Ponyativka of Kherson region, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the evening report"

Based on what we are seeing, Russian advancements are not stopping because Ukraine is very much exhausted. Lack of manpower and lack of weapons is hurting their ability to resist. Meanwhile, Russian weapons are bring produced quickly.

 

[raildogg]

Russian arms production is not slowing down, regardless if its China or not. Someone here mentioned N Korea - so what? Ukraine is a dumping ground for Western weapons, so what if Russia gets some weapons from N Korea? Or do you expect Russia to sit back and wait while Western powers keep on dumping weapons into Ukraine?

Regardless, the reports of Russia not having enough weapons was not too credible.

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www.wsj.com

It's a weird game being played. Western consumers are funding the Chinese economic machine while China is now helping to keep Russia strong. So does this mean that Western consumers are in one way or another supporting Russia? Something to think about. Even the oil that the virtuous Western regimes banned from Russia is coming to them, through middlemen of course. So much for virtue signalling.

 

[kage69]

Time to get on with the facts on the ground. Ukraine suffering very big and its time to end this war. I hope China intervenes very strongly and brings Ukraine and Russia to the table, then hope China can develop Ukraine. The West lacks this ability. China can quickly get Ukraine up and running and hope they can lead this cooperation with other nations, such as Belarus, which China also has good relations.

*citation free nonsense snipped*

Heh. And that's why you're delusional. I actually linked the last Ukraine - China meeting here in this forum, sounds like you were scared of that post too. Newsflash for you: China is not Ukraine's friend, and Ukraine knows it. China won't be developing Ukraine, but I think your suggestion of it is a great example of just how detached from reality you are. The ax to grind with the US is one thing, whatever has made you this dumb is clearly another. It's got you thinking Ukraine doesn't care China is enabling Russia to destroy the country and kill people, then will go right on to invite them in to rebuild? Sure, sure.

Hey, um, there's something wrong with you. It's not normal for people to be this unintelligent, so allergic to the truth. The carrying water for Russian fascism is one thing, but now you've got me wondering if you're actually developmentally disabled.

Seriously, you're not, right? Were you in a serious car wreck before covid maybe? Any head trauma involved?

 

[fskimospy]

Are you going to defend America for its role in Israel? Democrat or Republican, America arms and funds Israel regardless. End of discussion and the whole world has seen this. Without American arming and funding, Israel cannot do anything let alone committing ethnic cleansing. Thank you America, Democrats and Republicans.

Russia is not doing those things that you mentioned, period. End of stupid debate. You are asking retarded questions which have no basis for reality. There are many languages and cultures in Russia, they are not banned. Russia is not banning Ukrainian language or denying religious freedoms (though the orthodox church is shared).

You know what? Anti-Russian language measures were started in Ukraine before the conflict. This is on top of all the other atrocities committed against Russian language speakers and others living in Donbass, etc. Too much propaganda in you.

Democrat or Republican - US is a bully on the international stage. The respect is largely gone and the only thing remaining is the military power and economic power largely through the dollar. Ask people in many Eastern European, Middle Eastern, Asian and African countries about America. You will hear many negative things. We will not even go into South and Central America and all the American evil deeds there.

Republicans are pro-Israel and want more aid for Israel. Democrats are a little bit more balanced so they want aid for Israel and Ukraine. It is a matter of small amounts.

Trump? You think I like Trump? False. Trump proved he is a neocon pawn by scrapping Iran nuclear deal and killing General Soleimani. Plus he surrounded himself with scumbag neocons and warmongers such as John Bolton and Mike Pompeo. So no, I have no respect for any US political party.

Is this a joke? Russia is currently and openly engaging in genocide.

 

[raildogg]

Of course Ukraine wants China to be involved! Why would they not? It is a huge power in the world, a big infrastructure producing country and a country that can provide capital. We won't even mention the diplomatic prowess of China.

Zelensky adviser meets China's Ukraine ambassador in push for "just peace"

The Ukrainian chief of staff discussed the planned "global peace summit" with the Chinese envoy to end the war in Ukraine.

www.newsweek.com

Ukrainians and Chinese have always been talking and will continue to do so. Zelenskyy is very much favorable with developing dialogue with China as he and others realize that China's diplomatic ability is very strong. He knows the importance of China on the world stage - an already great power and rising rapidly. Meanwhile, the diminished role of European countries on world stage is being made known. The US is not there yet but its poor diplomatic ability is widely known these days. Terrible foreign secretary Antony Blinken, who took over from neocon scumbag Mike Pompeo. One worse than the other.

Can you even put Antony Blinken in the same sentence of someone like Wang Yi, for instance? Or Jaishankar? Very embarrassing for the US.

 

[kage69]

Tony Blinken has been doing a fairly good job, and having the scorn of you and other Kremlin tools is a testament to that I'd say. He hasn't been purged or disappeared, isn't just a mouthpiece like Wang Yi. Thankfully we do weapons and diplomats different in the West. Pompeo would be the exception, a true holy roller bastard who tarnished West Point as much as he did State. Any man who would lie about and disrespect Mary Louise Kelly like that can go fuck himself. But what do you expect from the Trump admin though, especially around intelligent women? Scumbags, criminals and traitors the lot of them. Hence why it's so important they never be allowed in power again. Treason ain't cool folks.


Tell me more about this embarrassment. Like getting exposed on the web as a liar with the IQ of sunblock level embarrassment? Or more like, almost getting overthrown by your own mercenaries embarrassment? Joe Biden caring more about terrorist attacks in Russia than Putin was pretty embarrassing. 139 people dead, and all Putin had to do was not be an insecure little bitch about America trying to help (as we've done before with similar intel). Yet another case of Putin's pride always coming before Russian lives, and then his infantile attempt to blame Ukraine when even his own people and Iran agreed with ISIS-K's admitted responsibility. Damn, that's embarrassing. Up there with getting the shit kicked out of you by the poorest country in Europe, or maybe losing a fleet of ships to a country with no navy. So many embarrassing things have happened these last 2+ years, I guess it's easy to lose perspective.

 

[kage69]

Is this a joke? Russia is currently and openly engaging in genocide.

Well, he's a joke anyway. One hallmark of these idiots is a steadfast refusal to accept what has already been documented. It is sick though, how they dismiss and deny what orcs have done. If I had my druthers they'd be on 'help document mass grave contents' detail, in Bucha. Funny how he refuses to accept how Russia tears down any vestige of Ukrainian statehood or language it comes across. It's been common practice since 2014, but then I suppose the straw gives it away. He's just doing the standard 'spew indignant horseshit and move on' schtick. It's hilarious how they still try to make Russia look like a victim whenever they can, no matter how ridiculous it sounds.

Regardless of any tantrum thrown by a Kremlin shill, Russia's presence in Ukraine brought a lot of rape and torturing people until they died, in addition to the intentional targeting of civilians. UN confirmed it last October.

New evidence, same torture pattern​

Their investigations also confirmed previous findings that Russian authorities used torture in a widespread and systematic way in various types of detention facilities.

New evidence collected in the Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions found Russian authorities used the same pattern of torture in areas under their control, mainly against men suspected of passing information to the Ukrainian authorities or supporting the Ukrainian armed forces. The commissioners said their interviews with victims and witnesses revealed “a profound disregard towards human dignity by Russian authorities”. Witnesses reported situations in which torture had been committed so brutally that the victim died.

Lasting traumatic impacts​

Recent investigations in the Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions showed that rape and other sexual violence were often committed together with additional acts of violence, including severe beatings, strangling, suffocating, slashing, shooting next to the head of the victim, and wilful killing. In one instance, a 75-year-old woman who stayed alone to protect her property, was raped and tortured by a Russian soldier who hit her on the face, chest, and ribs, and strangled her, while interrogating her. The soldier ordered the woman to undress and when she refused, he ripped off her clothes, cut her abdomen with a small sharp object and raped her several times. The woman also suffered several broken ribs and teeth.

Such traumatic experiences have severe and long-term consequences for the physical and mental health of the victims, the report said.

Unlawful child deportations​

The Commissioners investigated further accounts of Ukrainian children being transferred to Russia or to Russian-occupied areas in Ukraine. They concluded that the transfer of 31 children to Russia in May 2022 was an unlawful deportation, thus a war crime. Their report also contains three cases where investigations showed that Ukrainian authorities committed violations of human rights against persons accused of collaboration with Russia. They underlined the importance of accountability “with full respect and care for the rights of the victims.” The UN Human Rights Council established the Independent Commission of Inquiry on Ukraine in March 2022, shortly after the start of the full-scale Russian invasion. The mandate was extended in April for an additional year.

The three Commissioners are not UN staff and do not receive payment for their work.

 

[Jaskalas]

No, I just report facts. No glee. However, it is many Westerners who feel glee at hurting Russia and Russians. I have seen it many times.

Invading Europe marks a special place in hell for all Russians.
It is our duty to send them there.

 

[K1052]

Of course Ukraine wants China to be involved! Why would they not? It is a huge power in the world, a big infrastructure producing country and a country that can provide capital. We won't even mention the diplomatic prowess of China.

Zelensky adviser meets China's Ukraine ambassador in push for "just peace"

The Ukrainian chief of staff discussed the planned "global peace summit" with the Chinese envoy to end the war in Ukraine.

www.newsweek.com

Ukrainians and Chinese have always been talking and will continue to do so. Zelenskyy is very much favorable with developing dialogue with China as he and others realize that China's diplomatic ability is very strong. He knows the importance of China on the world stage - an already great power and rising rapidly. Meanwhile, the diminished role of European countries on world stage is being made known. The US is not there yet but its poor diplomatic ability is widely known these days. Terrible foreign secretary Antony Blinken, who took over from neocon scumbag Mike Pompeo. One worse than the other.

Can you even put Antony Blinken in the same sentence of someone like Wang Yi, for instance? Or Jaishankar? Very embarrassing for the US.

lmao

China makes inroads in countries that lack expertise and capability, neither of which is in short supply in Ukraine. Their foreign policy in Europe is a total mess because they simply do not comprehend European interests and apparently have no interest in learning about them. Invariably every time they go talk to like France or Germany it's a minor disaster and nothing gets done. Once the war is over Ukraine will have all the Euro investment it can handle.

 

[zinfamous]

No, I just report facts.

not once