Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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you2

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Zeihan has made this assessment multiple times now that either way, either this war extends into a NATO country or into Russia proper - at which point a nuke is going to fly.

Inevitable that a nuke is going to fly.

How does that not turn into MAD? Sounds like a doomsday prophecy to me.

It would be silly for Russia to actually use nuke if the war crosses into Russia because they can end it any day without any real losses (well territory loss); all they have to do is withdrawl from Ukraine.
 

RnR_au

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It would be silly for Russia to actually use nuke if the war crosses into Russia because they can end it any day without any real losses (well territory loss); all they have to do is withdrawl from Ukraine.
There will be real losses to the ones in charge of Russia. Its from this perspective where the calculus is being done on whether or not its nuke time.
 

Ajay

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Zeihan has made this assessment multiple times now that either way, either this war extends into a NATO country or into Russia proper - at which point a nuke is going to fly.

Inevitable that a nuke is going to fly.

How does that not turn into MAD? Sounds like a doomsday prophecy to me.

I have no idea why he said that. If Russia goes into Europe, NATO goes full strength against them without lighting off one nuke. We are not stupid or that desperate. If NATO, or a member of NATO goes into Russia - they will sue for peace in order to retain their borders (oh, and someone in Putin's orbit probably kills him). There is a tiny, tiny chance that Russia uses tactical nukes if the later happens if Putin is more wacked than we think, but again, someone in his orbit probably kills him before this happens - they know they will suffer the vengeance of the west. All but the worst MAGAs would back this.

Pretty sure the US told Putin that if he uses nukes, he will be the first to die (and we have the intel to do it).
 

cytg111

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I have no idea why he said that. If Russia goes into Europe, NATO goes full strength against them without lighting off one nuke. We are not stupid or that desperate. If NATO, or a member of NATO goes into Russia - they will sue for peace in order to retain their borders (oh, and someone in Putin's orbit probably kills him). There is a tiny, tiny chance that Russia uses tactical nukes if the later happens if Putin is more wacked than we think, but again, someone in his orbit probably kills him before this happens - they know they will suffer the vengeance of the west. All but the worst MAGAs would back this.

Pretty sure the US told Putin that if he uses nukes, he will be the first to die (and we have the intel to do it).
Yup I get all that. But suppose you were the Devils advocate here, what kind of metrics is Zeihan looking at since he is convinced this is the most plausible outcome? To the best of my bs meter he is not saying it for clicks.
 

Ajay

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Yup I get all that. But suppose you were the Devils advocate here, what kind of metrics is Zeihan looking at since he is convinced this is the most plausible outcome? To the best of my bs meter he is not saying it for clicks.
Yeah, but he's downplayed it before, so I don't get it. The actual interview was some time ago based on other content (weeks/months - doesn't say).
 

trenchfoot

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Two words: Extra dry socks.

It was a very memorable moment for me the fist and last time I experienced it. First because I thought I'd never get it and secondly I got severely reprimanded for damaging gov't property while on duty. It's the first time I ever thought I was a property of the gov't and the damage I caused to myself was a chargeable offense. Who knew?
 

trenchfoot

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There will be real losses to the ones in charge of Russia. Its from this perspective where the calculus is being done on whether or not its nuke time.

*formerly tweaker2* I agree. Following a theme of a previous post I made, all that matters to Putin is if he mistakenly believes that he and enough of his servile acolytes survives a nuke attack whereby he will still be able to carry on his reach for immortality with the impunity he is accustomed to. He'll kill any number of his own people and anyone else to survive the shit storm he created for himself. He knows if he can't accomplish what he set out to do in Ukraine he's a dead man walking. It seems to me he'd seriously consider employing nukes in some form or fashion if he thinks there's no other way to stay alive and keep his grip on power.

He is as much of a narcissist madman as his orange tinted stooge here at home, both desperately clinging to the only way to survive the debacles they created for themselves. As authoritarian strongmen they dramatically overestimated their ability to shape the world to their liking and not suffer the consequences of the crimes they commit to maintain their positions of influence and authoritarianism.
 

kage69

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Pretty sure the US told Putin that if he uses nukes, he will be the first to die (and we have the intel to do it).

This is correct.

Body doubles, luxury bunkers and armored trains won't save him.
 
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K1052

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The EU has agreed to provide up to $5B per year from Russian profits in their banks to Ukraine. 90% for arms and 10% for reconstruction/aid.
This year they will get $3B.

There is a separate G7 plan in the works to create a $50B fund for Ukraine that bonds against Russian assets which is also gaining steam now that Germany has said they would agree to it.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...to-use-the-profits-from-frozen-russian-assets

European Union member states on Tuesday approved a plan to use the profits generated by frozen Russian sovereign assets to support Ukraine’s recovery and military defense.
This move will provide Ukraine as much as €3 billion ($3.3 billion) this year, 90% of which will go to Ukraine’s military, Czech Foreign Minister Jan Lipavsky wrote on the social media platform X.
About $280 billion in assets have been immobilized by the Group of Seven nations since Russia’s 2022 invasion of Ukraine, with more than two-thirds of those held in the EU. The vast majority of the funds has been held through the Belgium-based settlement giant Euroclear, where they have generated about €3.9 billion in net profit since last year.
Under the EU’s plans, Ukraine will receive the net profits from Feb. 15 onwards. Some €159 billion of frozen Russian assets have generated a net profit of €557 million from that date, according to Euroclear’s first quarter financial results.
Profits before the Feb. 15 date will be retained by Euroclear to handle any risks such as those deriving from legal action in Russia. The EU plan also includes a mechanism to allow the clearing house to retain more funds should those resources prove insufficient to manage any sudden and unexpected risks.

The adoption of the proposal by EU affairs ministers in Brussels comes after months of haggling between member states amid worries about possible legal challenges, retaliation from Russia and risk to the stability of the euro.
The assets are expected to generate about €5 billion a year, with Ukraine receiving the aid twice a year.
 
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K1052

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Does that help?

There is a running joke about how the Ukrainians stick copious amounts Kontakt-1 on every tank that comes into their possession. I guess they think the front of the hull is not as well protected as they might prefer.

Tank does have the TUSK reactive skirt armor though.
 
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Brovane

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Pentagon working with SpaceX to cut off Russian military’s illicit use of Starlink internet

Hill said SpaceX, which is owned by Elon Musk, has been “more than cooperative” and “forward leaning” in working to identify terminals in Russian hands and turn them off.

“Not only has SpaceX been very cooperative with the entire United States government and the government of Ukraine, they’ve been forward leaning in identifying and providing information to us,” Hill told lawmakers.

Warren questioned whether the Pentagon’s next contract for Starlink services should specify requirements for SpaceX to prevent Russia’s illicit use of the satellite internet network.

Hill said those operational details would be better addressed through a private briefing rather than in an open congressional hearing, citing the sensitive nature of the capabilities involved.

Hill said a lot of the information about Russia’s use of Starlink has been shared by SpaceX via U.S. Space Command’s “commercial Integration cell,” a group of commercial satellite companies that work with the U.S. government. “We share information, including company proprietary information and classified information,” said Hill. “As we share information, we can develop strategies to identify all the terminals which should be left on or which ones should be turned off.”


I am wondering if AFU and the US military do not want all the Russian terminals turned off because they are gathering intelligence on Russian forces as they use Starlink satellites to communicate? It seems like sometimes SpaceX has been slow to turn off Russian terminals but I do question if the US gov has asked them to funnel known Russian communications on Starlink terminals through NSA servers for further analysis. Never heard of the US Space Commands commercial integration cell before. It makes sense that such a entity exists.
 

you2

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More brain drain in Russia:


If you are a scientist in Russia maybe you should think about relocating...
 
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