NATO is not a purely defensive alliance. Serbia bombing was not in defense of NATO countries. Neither was Libya.
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NATO is not a purely defensive alliance. Serbia bombing was not in defense of NATO countries. Neither was Libya.NATO is a defensive alliance. The US and its allies are not in Ukraine. And we wouldn't invade Canada if a foreign power was defensively placing troops adjacent to our southern border.
Russia has already invaded it's neighbors - Georgia and Ukraine - so other neighbors are rightfully scared of Russia and their habit of regional imperialism, this NATO allies seek military assurances and non-allied countries seek weapons to fight off invaders. Not sure why you want to gloss over those very important details and blame both sides.
This is just pure ignorance. Russia and China fought a small war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Soviet_border_conflictChina and Russia made up some time ago. They're both authoritarian regimes trying to stamp out democracy and self-determination, and can act on it. Having common agendas makes them natural partners, not NATO really. The lop sided presence in Europe isn't particularly worrisome for China. And Russia is already at side kick status, sorry.
So two more narratives of yours that don't hold up. I hope Putin understands you think he should just waste money and stage his troops in the field indefinitely. I'd be ok with that. Emulating Hitler 1938 would be a bad move. Damn Ukrainians, wanting to have a say in their own futures. So distracting. I bet that nice long border with Poland should make for a long, distracting, expensive occupation should Putin jump. No big war though, yes, though needing deterrence around bullies is indeed a great reason to acquire it. If only there were no reason for NATO to exist... Instead, two Stalin-esque autocratic regimes engaged in expansionist military action 'to protect their historical lands and rights' are howling that countries who want to be left alone are "maintaining ideologized Cold War approaches." Heh, that's some funny shit.
‘NATO is emulating Hitler’. Lol.This is just pure ignorance. Russia and China fought a small war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Soviet_border_conflict
Back when adults were in charge of US foreign policy, they worked hard to divide USSR and China, for obvious reasons. It's not a given that two autocratic regimes are automatically allies, usually the opposite.
NATO is already emulating Hitler in 1938, no NATO troops in the Ukraine. Because it's obvious no one wants to risk a war between NATO and Russia, so the Ukraine is the buffer zone. Russia is obviously not going to withdraw troops from its own western territory and create a buffer zone there to make NATO comfortable coming into the Ukraine. The Ukraine is the buffer zone. NATO is lying to the Ukraine telling them the door is open. Just like EU lied to them in 2013.
I mean emulating European response to Hitler in 1938. Simmer down now. We already know you got nothing but ad hominems.‘NATO is emulating Hitler’. Lol.
In case anyone had any lingering doubts about your honesty after you spent a couple pages transparently lying, that should put them to bed.
I don’t know why you’re lying in the service of Russian propaganda, but you are.
The guy who spent a bunch of posts transparently lying wants us to forget that.I mean emulating European response to Hitler in 1938. Simmer down now. We already know you got nothing but ad hominems.
Wtf is this?This is just pure ignorance. Russia and China fought a small war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Soviet_border_conflict
Back when adults were in charge of US foreign policy, they worked hard to divide USSR and China, for obvious reasons. It's not a given that two autocratic regimes are automatically allies, usually the opposite.
NATO is already emulating Hitler in 1938, no NATO troops in the Ukraine. Because it's obvious no one wants to risk a war between NATO and Russia, so the Ukraine is the buffer zone. Russia is obviously not going to withdraw troops from its own western territory and create a buffer zone there to make NATO comfortable coming into the Ukraine. The Ukraine is the buffer zone. NATO is lying to the Ukraine telling them the door is open. Just like EU lied to them in 2013.
Another weak ad hominem.The guy who spent a bunch of posts transparently lying wants us to forget that.
You’re not an honest person, so nothing you say should be taken seriously.
You know where the fucking edit button is… This guy turned Russian sympathizer real fast.I mean emulating European response to Hitler in 1938. Simmer down now. We already know you got nothing but ad hominems.
If you look at his old posts he was highly critical of Russia. Now for whatever reason he essentially parrots their propaganda verbatim.Wtf is this?
100% something is off…If you look at his old posts he was highly critical of Russia. Now for whatever reason he essentially parrots their propaganda verbatim.
I’m not sure if the account got hacked or the guy went crazy, but the shift is stark.
Dishonest people should not be taken seriously for the obvious reason that they exploit society’s good will in that regard. Trump is a great example of this.Another weak ad hominem.
I edited for you since you can't keep track. Everyone who questioned Iraq BS was called terrorist sympathizer too. Don't care, keep the ad hominems coming, just making yourself look intellectually weak.You know where the fucking edit button is… This guy turned Russian sympathizer real fast.
In your mind. Which we already know is not an intellectual powerhouse, since you can come back only with weak ad hominems.Dishonest people should not be taken seriously for the obvious reason that they exploit society’s good will in that regard. Trump is a great example of this.
You’ve been outed as a shameless liar, so that’s that.
You literally said NATO was emulating Hitler<end of sentence>. I mean why dont you just say what you really mean?I edited for you since you can't keep track. Everyone who questioned Iraq BS was called terrorist sympathizer too. Don't care, keep the ad hominems coming, just making yourself look intellectually weak.
It is kind of funny that in your complaint about supposed ad hominem attacks you engage in your own.In your mind. Which we already know is not an intellectual powerhouse, since you can come back only with weak ad hominems.
This is just pure ignorance. Russia and China fought a small war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Soviet_border_conflict
NATO is already emulating Hitler in 1938, no NATO troops in the Ukraine.
It is kind of funny that in your complaint about supposed ad hominem attacks you engage in your own.
Simple fact - you’re a liar and you know it.
That's cuteNo, that's simply you engaging in false attribution. I'm talking about relatively recent events, since Xi came to power. Not stuff that happened back in the 60s. There have been spats and make ups since then. I never said there weren't historic tensions and conflict, and in fact I enjoy hearing fans of authoritarian fascism try to explain why China is so testy about land they think they own, but don't want to talk about the land Russia took from them.
Oh senseampnik,
Now you are moving the goal posts from NATO being a defensive alliance to justifying its offensive actions.are you getting lazy?
Link to NATO invading sovereign countries to protect 'their' language? Which ethnic group has NATO declared sub human and a threat to their prosperity? Stopping wholesale murder and ethnic cleansing in the Balkans is the stand NATO took against the kind of thinking you're defending, so do get off that high horse.
Your dedication to Russian talking points is impressive, you're still mimicking Putin's refusal to acknowledge Ukraine's sovereignty and desires here. It doesn't matter what Ukraine wants, NATO is giving the orders right? Still all in on Russia's schtick that they need a military buffer zone, because Russia's large and competent military eh? A military that's already broken the promise it made to Ukraine over relinquishing nuclear weapons mind you, so clearly you don't give a shit about broken promises.
Save your comments on ignorance until you can ditch enough of it to be honest about why Putin is doing this. The only thing NATO threatens is Russia's standard OP of bullying and invading others in lieu of diplomacy and trade. Russia doesn't need a buffer zone (maybe you've noticed there aren't any for Estonia or Latvia?)
Putin doesn't want other Slavs in a different country to adopt democracy and thrive. Please, be honest with yourself.
It's weird how both Republicans and Democrats agree in America remaining at war all the time.
Afghanistan war is over??! No good. Now fabricate more bullshit to American people so we can start another bullshit war. Your war machine is at work.
Yes, I am explicitly attacking your character - I thought I made that clear. You are a dishonest person.Definition of ad hominemDefinition of AD HOMINEM
appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect; marked by or being an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made… See the full definitionwww.merriam-webster.com
: appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect
: marked by or being an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made
You nailed it on both, good job!
If Russia does invade Ukraine you can bet senseamp will claim that the west made them do it.No, that's simply you engaging in false attribution. I'm talking about relatively recent events, since Xi came to power. Not stuff that happened back in the 60s. There have been spats and make ups since then. I never said there weren't historic tensions and conflict, and in fact I enjoy hearing fans of authoritarian fascism try to explain why China is so testy about land they think they own, but don't want to talk about the land Russia took from them.
Oh senseampnik, are you getting lazy?
Link to NATO invading sovereign countries to protect 'their' language? Which ethnic group has NATO declared sub human and a threat to their prosperity? Stopping wholesale murder and ethnic cleansing in the Balkans is the stand NATO took against the kind of thinking you're defending, so do get off that high horse.
Your dedication to Russian talking points is impressive, you're still mimicking Putin's refusal to acknowledge Ukraine's sovereignty and desires here. It doesn't matter what Ukraine wants, NATO is giving the orders right? Still all in on Russia's schtick that they need a military buffer zone, because Russia's large and competent military eh? A military that's already broken the promise it made to Ukraine over relinquishing nuclear weapons mind you, so clearly you don't give a shit about broken promises.
Save your comments on ignorance until you can ditch enough of it to be honest about why Putin is doing this. The only thing NATO threatens is Russia's standard OP of bullying and invading others in lieu of diplomacy and trade. Russia doesn't need a buffer zone (maybe you've noticed there aren't any for Estonia or Latvia?)
Putin doesn't want other Slavs in a different country to adopt democracy and thrive. Please, be honest with yourself.
More like that's your argument because you can't muster an intellectually coherent one on the actual subject matter.Yes, I am explicitly attacking your character - I thought I made that clear. You are a dishonest person.
Russia is not going to invade the Ukraine, it's been explained to you repeatedly. No one is invading a hostile country of 40M and 1M strong military with 130K troops. Even the Ukraine president is saying so. US is now backtracking on the "imminent" language, and coming up with some conspiracy theory about staged films and whatever farce they are trying to peddle now. You are a slow learner, it appears.If Russia does invade Ukraine you can bet senseamp will claim that the west made them do it.
I mean I already pointed out why your arguments are incoherent and would similarly justify the invasion of Russia by Germany in 1941 but you ignored them, presumably because you have no answer.More like that's your argument because you can't muster an intellectually coherent one on the actual subject matter.