Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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kage69

Lifer
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Understand the sentiment and I'm sure he's not taking huge chances with what he's doing...but consider the worst happening. He's assassinated going to hospital, etc. He instantly becomes a martyr, probably a more powerful figure than he is currently.

I think Putin wants him alive...trophy to display.

3 assassination attempts foiled thus far. If Putin wanted him alive I don't think he (and his wife) would be on Putin's kill list. I saw the Klitschko brothers were on it too.

Ukraine is the trophy, Putin doesn't give 2/3rds of a rat's ass about the people in it.
 
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pmv

Lifer
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Seems like it's the same old story everywhere


“In broad terms, younger Russians are less likely to have anti-Ukrainian sentiments. We have seen that the anti-war protests have also largely involved younger people,” said Andrei Kolesnikov of the Carnegie Moscow Center. “A lot of how you perceive the war depends on where you get your news,” he said. “If you watch television, you are simply more likely to toe the official line. And older people tend to watch more TV.”
 

RnR_au

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pmv

Lifer
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So apparently Oracle has stopped providing any support for its products within Russia?

(I'd link to the Tweet but Twitter doesn't seem to want to let me see anything without registering now, even with a private window - I don't understand why it periodically does that, and don't really care enough about Twitter to look into it).

Does this mean, by implication, Microsoft is still providing support for Windows users in Russia?
 

MichaelMay

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I dunno...I think the USA has already shed too much American blood for Europe...

When? You let Nazi Germany genocide Jews which you knew full well about and invade Poland and France with your thumb up your ass and your President said "we will not get involved in Europe's war" one week before you were attacked and declared war upon. You didn't do jack shit for anyone else and you never have, not as individuals of a nation or as a nation.

Just fuck off with your "'murican history" there is nothing that you ever learned that was even close to true. You nuked Japan to test a nuclear weapon on a civilian population that had already surrendered. You didn't target military installations, you targeted cities where there were NO military installations and once you had done that you accepted the terms of surrender presented to you before the bombings.

Pathetic piece of utter shit nation as it is and in this very thread I was questioned about how 'muricans don't know their history... Well YOU are the living evidence that you quite obviously do not.

That's not even mentioning how you created almost all suffering in South America, lying to murder tens of thousands of civilians in Iraq, how you trained the Mujahedin and how you now ensured that the Taliban would be in power of Afghanistan.

When it comes to nations that are REALLY fucked up on foreign policy the entirety of the world stands back in awe over how the US has ignored international law, committed war crimes and take no responsibilities for anything at any point.
 
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MichaelMay

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What's got you so enraged? Did you break some ribs too?

Wasn't it you that just made a sideways reference to World War II? And now that's irrelevant "ancient history"?

And speaking of "ancient history", European countries haven't done much to help the world with hundreds of years of colonialism and managing to start two world wars. Sorry you are uncomfortable in the passenger seat now, but frankly no one else wants to see you in the driver's seat again.

To you it's like it was to Roosevelt and 'murcians during WWII, far away until you got attacked, to me it's right next door and I have family in Ukraine.

To you this is just some fun things to discuss, to me it's life or death.

So why am I taking this so seriously? Well, dipshit, because to me it IS serious and involves people I love.
 

Ajay

Lifer
Jan 8, 2001
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Cuppla' words from Vlad's Pet ......

Trump Says 'Lot of Love' Behind Putin Wanting to 'Make His Country Larger'

"Does his love extend to the maternity hospitals and cancer hospitals he's bombing?" one critic responded.


Trump Claims His Personality 'Kept Us Out of War,' Says Putin Won't Stop

"Under Joe Biden, America is neither feared nor respected," the former president said at his rally on Saturday.

I really do not care what that pompous ass has to say about Russia or Ukraine. Could we have another thread for this?
Then the compilation can be revisited for the next elections.
THX.
 

rommelrommel

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When? You let Nazi Germany genocide Jews which you knew full well about and invade Poland and France with your thumb up your ass and your President said "we will not get involved in Europe's war" one week before you were attacked and declared war upon. You didn't do jack shit for anyone else and you never have, not as individuals of a nation or as a nation.

Just fuck off with your "'murican history" there is nothing that you ever learned that was even close to true. You nuked Japan to test a nuclear weapon on a civilian population that had already surrendered. You didn't target military installations, you targeted cities where there were NO military installations and once you had done that you accepted the terms of surrender presented to you before the bombings.

Pathetic piece of utter shit nation as it is and in this very thread I was questioned about how 'muricans don't know their history... Well YOU are the living evidence that you quite obviously do not.

That's not even mentioning how you created almost all suffering in South America, lying to murder tens of thousands of civilians in Iraq, how you trained the Mujahedin and how you now ensured that the Taliban would be in power of Afghanistan.

When it comes to nations that are REALLY fucked up on foreign policy the entirety of the world stands back in awe over how the US has ignored international law, committed war crimes and take no responsibilities for anything at any point.

Frankly this is more ignorant than his position.
 
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uclaLabrat

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Frankly this is more ignorant than his position.
It's really not. FDR badly wanted to enter the war in Europe but felt constrained by ever present American isolationism. Even after pearl harbor where we were attacked by JAPAN and only at war with Germany because Hitler essentially declared war on the US on a whim, Japan and the pacific theater was still second fiddle to the war in Europe. Why wasn't our sole attention on the nation that actually attacked us? Our foreign policy then and now has so obviously been eurocentric.
 

Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
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Cuppla' words from Vlad's Pet ......


Trump Says 'Lot of Love' Behind Putin Wanting to 'Make His Country Larger'

"Does his love extend to the maternity hospitals and cancer hospitals he's bombing?" one critic responded.





Trump Claims His Personality 'Kept Us Out of War,' Says Putin Won't Stop

"Under Joe Biden, America is neither feared nor respected," the former president said at his rally on Saturday.


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Trump is carving out a history for himself. He's going to be the most reviled politician (much less POTUS) in American history.
 

BoomerD

No Lifer
Feb 26, 2006
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When? You let Nazi Germany genocide Jews which you knew full well about and invade Poland and France with your thumb up your ass and your President said "we will not get involved in Europe's war" one week before you were attacked and declared war upon. You didn't do jack shit for anyone else and you never have, not as individuals of a nation or as a nation.

Just fuck off with your "'murican history" there is nothing that you ever learned that was even close to true. You nuked Japan to test a nuclear weapon on a civilian population that had already surrendered. You didn't target military installations, you targeted cities where there were NO military installations and once you had done that you accepted the terms of surrender presented to you before the bombings.

Pathetic piece of utter shit nation as it is and in this very thread I was questioned about how 'muricans don't know their history... Well YOU are the living evidence that you quite obviously do not.

That's not even mentioning how you created almost all suffering in South America, lying to murder tens of thousands of civilians in Iraq, how you trained the Mujahedin and how you now ensured that the Taliban would be in power of Afghanistan.

When it comes to nations that are REALLY fucked up on foreign policy the entirety of the world stands back in awe over how the US has ignored international law, committed war crimes and take no responsibilities for anything at any point.

First of all...it wasn't OUR war until it was...why didn't Europe do something to stop the massacre of the Jews? It was happening in Europe.

Next...let's see...116,000 US troops died in WWI, over 400,000 in WWII, perhaps as many as 180,000 of those in Europe.

As for nuking Japan...they had NOT yet surrendered. Hiroshima was NOT just civilians...

Hiroshima was a city of considerable military importance. It contained the 2nd Army Headquarters, which commanded the defense of all of southern Japan. The city was a communications center, a storage point, and an assembly area for troops. To quote a Japanese report, "Probably more than a thousand times since the beginning of the war did the Hiroshima citizens see off with cries of 'Banzai' the troops leaving from the harbor."

Nagasaki was a seaport city...
The city of Nagasaki had been one of the largest sea ports in southern Japan and was of great war-time importance because of its many and varied industries, including the production of ordnance, ships, military equipment, and other war materials.
 
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BoomerD

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It's really not. FDR badly wanted to enter the war in Europe but felt constrained by ever present American isolationism. Even after pearl harbor where we were attacked by JAPAN and only at war with Germany because Hitler essentially declared war on the US on a whim, Japan and the pacific theater was still second fiddle to the war in Europe. Why wasn't our sole attention on the nation that actually attacked us? Our foreign policy then and now has so obviously been eurocentric.

We declared war on Japan following the December 7, 1941 attacks on Pearl Harbor. Germany and Italy declared war on us a few days later.
 
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Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
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No idea as to the credibility of this site, but seems plausible .....

Barrier Units Of Kadyrovtsy Shoot Russian Troops In Back ...

https://charter97.org/en/news/2022/3/11/458521/
Putin does not trust the Russian army. The so-called barrier units of kadyrovtsy, who are trying to hold back the Russian military with fire if they start to retreat, are standing near Kyiv. Such methods of warfare were used back in Stalin's times. This is reported by RBC-Ukraine, citing a statement ...
Interesting read off the quoted page:

 
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rommelrommel

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It's really not. FDR badly wanted to enter the war in Europe but felt constrained by ever present American isolationism. Even after pearl harbor where we were attacked by JAPAN and only at war with Germany because Hitler essentially declared war on the US on a whim, Japan and the pacific theater was still second fiddle to the war in Europe. Why wasn't our sole attention on the nation that actually attacked us? Our foreign policy then and now has so obviously been eurocentric.

Well, exactly. FDR was giving a LOT of assistance to the UK but full involvement was unpopular at the time. The government wanted to help the UK more.

As for the genocide, there was no genocide as they understood it then occurring in 1939 or 1940, it really got going in 1942 at which time the US was already engaged in assiting to liberate Europe.

Japan had not surrendered at the time of either nuke, may not have, and both cities were legitimate military targets.
 

Muse

Lifer
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Well, exactly. FDR was giving a LOT of assistance to the UK but full involvement was unpopular at the time. The government wanted to help the UK more.

As for the genocide, there was no genocide as they understood it then occurring in 1939 or 1940, it really got going in 1942 at which time the US was already engaged in assiting to liberate Europe.

Japan had not surrendered at the time of either nuke, may not have, and both cities were legitimate military targets.
I think it's pretty clear that WW II was fought basically in two theaters: The European and the Pacific. The Axis consisted of Germany and Italy in the European theater, it was Japan in the Pacific. Japan occupied islands, China and Burma. Germany (I suppose to a lesser extent, Italy) occupied most of continental Europe, (bogged down in Russia) and there were major operations in north Africa.
 

dank69

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From into that thread:
I called this as a loss for Russia on February 26. Way less than 48 hours into the invasion. Not sure why so many so-called military experts didn't recognize it and still don't recognize it. Not sure why it's taking Putin so long to recognize it either. While I'm sure his people are hiding the extent of the failure, you can't hide all this.
 
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HomerJS

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Seems like it's the same old story everywhere

It's younger people because they are not locked into state TV. Younger people have access to outside media and can get the truth.

How that differs from here in the US, Fox News and other right outlets wind took hold online all the way back to the Drudge Report. Right wingers have more outlets to spread their lies and conspiracy theories. There's a reason in every single test Fox News viewers are ALWAYS the most misinformed.
 

BoomerD

No Lifer
Feb 26, 2006
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I called this as a loss for Russia on February 26. Way less than 48 hours into the invasion. Not sure why so many so-called military experts didn't recognize it and still don't recognize it. Not sure why it's taking Putin so long to recognize it either. While I'm sure his people are hiding the extent of the failure but you can't hide all this.

I'm extremely surprised this has gone on this long. I fully expected Russia to more or less roll over Ukrainian defenses within the first week. I'm happy I was wrong...but still expect Russia to finally win...in one form or another. (how much damage Russia can tolerate will be the determining factor to win/lose and by how much.) I wouldn't be surprised...or disappointed to see Putin "have a heart attack" and calmer heads prevail in Russia however.
 
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