Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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pete6032

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So I still haven't heard of anybody who actually knows of any Nazis, or the extent of their extremism. Or anyone that knows of anyone that does. I'm curious of this phenomenon. The only corner of the US I haven't lived in is the SE, though I did visit FL and Houston area several times, and I saw no trace of Nazis, or even KKK and such right wing extremists. There are quite a few posters on this thread. Surely somebody's gotta have personally experienced domestic Nazis or has a friend who has.

On the other hand in SE Ukraine there have been many families affected deeply, including having their friends, children, parents killed by Azovs shelling cities.

Has anyone fully listened to Putin's full speech on the demilitarization special operation, and afterwards actually believe that he doesn't care about the ethic Russians being murdered by the Azovs?
We literally have Nazis campaigning for state government. How stupid can you be?
 
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K1052

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WW3.
And this begins to look like China pushing Russia out in front, putting wear and tear on the west.
Oooooh these players of games. Nasty people.

I sort of doubt the Chinese send anything too problematic. Food and trucks? Sure. Armored vehicles? Maybe. SAMs? ehhhh probably not.

The very idea that the Russians are running short of AFVs though is just doing laps in my brain.
 
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woolfe9998

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In spite of an earlier condemnation, China wants Russia to win in Ukraine. Because China has its own territorial ambitions (Taiwan). A Russian victory here shows the world the futility of opposing military force with sanctions. Which is why these sanctions have to work, and Russia has to lose. Because the stakes are more than just Ukraine.
 

cytg111

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I sort of doubt the Chinese send anything too problematic. Food and trucks? Sure. Armored vehicles? Maybe. SAMs? ehhhh probably not.

The very idea that the Russians are running short of AFVs though is just doing laps in my brain.
I know I know .. But my brain always jumps to worst case.
1. China supplies all requests AND financial backing
2. RU isnt running short on AFV's. Needs the surplus for something else.
 
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Again, Ukraine voted in a Jew as president with 73% of the vote.

Significant "Nazification" not found.
In fairness, being Jewish does not preclude someone of also being an ultra right wing nationalist: just look at Stephen Miller.

However, we really shouldn't be engaging with Russian lies for entering a war: you're just going to get buried in their firehouse of bullshit.
 
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DisarmedDespot

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In spite of an earlier condemnation, China wants Russia to win in Ukraine. Because China has its own territorial ambitions (Taiwan). A Russian victory here shows the world of futility of opposing military force with sanctions. Which is why these sanctions have to work, and Russia has to lose. Because the stakes are more than just Ukraine.
It's a very weird position for them to take, though.

Even if the Chinese equipment helps Russia win, this is a strategic defeat for Russia. The economic damage isn't going to go away even if they take all of Ukraine and install a puppet. And they've thoroughly cemented Ukraine's national identity as a nation of resistors, so any hope of deterring them from leaning more and more to NATO is gone. Places like Karkiv voted overwhelming against joining NATO, and now they're resisting the Russians tooth and nail. Beyond that, their army will never be viewed the same. The losses in equipment are staggering, but that's nothing compared to the lost prestige from this utterly farcical operation.

If anything, the lessons from Ukraine should be extremely sobering the Chinese. They're effectively shackled to Russia's corpse, and shouldn't expect anything from them except an extra UN security council veto. Even their aims on Taiwan should be in question. Bombarding Kyiv and Kharkiv with missiles didn't break either city or soften them for the attackers, and China's strategy for Taiwan relies heavily on missile bombardment. Neverminded their effort to invade would have to be on the scale of D-Day, and painfully obvious to everyone. And they'd be doing so with a lot of tech and tactics based off the Russian's, whose ominous display should keep some of the Chinese high command up at night.
 

amd6502

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Find a source

This is at least what Russia is claiming, as well as more pro-Russia sources like southfront.org.

However, apply this logic: If you were in a city that were besieged and getting depleted of essentials such as food, wouldn't you exit along a humanitarian corridor? I sure would, unless somebody was holding me against my will.

Latest news is that a caravan of ~160 cars managed to exit just today or yesterday.

Southfront claims the Azovs or extremists within the Ukranian army managed to hit central Donetsk with a large cluster munition loaded SRBM. From many sources and actions, it's clear to me these are extremists on the same level of ISIL.

On March 14, the Ukrainian Armed Forces committed a mass murder of civilians in the city of Donetsk, which is under the control of the DPR. After the attack, horrifying details of a pre-planned provocation were revealed.

Ukrainian Tochka-U missiles are targeting civilian areas under the DPR and the LPR control on a regular basis. Most of them are intercepted. Unfortunately, on March 14, another Tochka-U tactical missile equipped with cluster munitions targeted the center of the city of Donetsk. As a result at least 20 people were killed and 28 more were injured, including at least one child.

First Deputy Minister of Information of the DPR Daniil Bessonov claimed that the rocket was fired from the AFU positions near the city of Krasnoarmeysk (now Pokrovsk), which is located approximately 55 km from Donetsk. It was carried out by the 19th Separate Missile Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, (which has a permanent deployment point in the city of Khmelnitsky.

The missile was equipped with a cluster warhead, which contains 50 fragmentation warheads weighing 7.45 kg, each of which contains 316 fragments. The mass of the head part alone is 482 kg, the total number of fragments is 15.8 thousand. The detonation of the central charge and the opening of the warhead is initiated by a radio sensor at an altitude of 2250 m. The affected area is from 3.5 to 7 hectares.
 
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dank69

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This is at least what Russia is claiming, as well as more pro-Russia sources like southfront.org.

However, apply this logic: If you were in a city that bas besieged and getting depleted of essentials such as food, wouldn't you exit along a humanitarian corridor? I sure would, unless somebody was holding me against my will.

Latest news is that a caravan of ~160 cars managed to exit just today or yesterday.
I guess you missed the hundreds of news stories over the past week showing how the Russians continued shelling the evac corridors they said they would stop attacking as well as mining those same corridors.
Is there an option for the residents to walk away, or are they being held by Azovs?
Jesus Christ, stop posting.
 

Amused

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YES! In exactly the same way Hogan's Heroes was, you weasel fascist apologist.

You know NOTHING!

It is just pathetic.

1: Zelensky, a Jew who was violently opposed by nationalist Nazis won 73% of the Vote.
2. The ultra nationalist party (Nazi) won only 3% of the vote.

Ukraine is no more "Nazified" than the US or any other western nation.
 

amd6502

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I guess you missed the hundreds of news stories over the past week showing how the Russians continued shelling the evac corridors they said they would stop attacking as well as mining those same corridors.
Jesus Christ, stop posting.

I would like to see a sources for this; links please.
 
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IronWing

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We literally have Nazis running of state government. How stupid can you be?
That a open Nazi ran in the Republican primary is bad. What is worse is that Republicans voted for him, again and again.


Votes for Republican Nazi Arthur Jones:
2012: 3,861 votes in the Republican primary

2018: 20,681 votes in the Republican primary
2018: 57,885 votes in the general election

2020: 1,708 votes in the Republican primary

Jones was making headlines for months prior to these elections. Republicans knew what he was and voted for him for what he was.
 

woolfe9998

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It's a very weird position for them to take, though.

Even if the Chinese equipment helps Russia win, this is a strategic defeat for Russia. The economic damage isn't going to go away even if they take all of Ukraine and install a puppet. And they've thoroughly cemented Ukraine's national identity as a nation of resistors, so any hope of deterring them from leaning more and more to NATO is gone. Places like Karkiv voted overwhelming against joining NATO, and now they're resisting the Russians tooth and nail. Beyond that, their army will never be viewed the same. The losses in equipment are staggering, but that's nothing compared to the lost prestige from this utterly farcical operation.

If anything, the lessons from Ukraine should be extremely sobering the Chinese. They're effectively shackled to Russia's corpse, and shouldn't expect anything from them except an extra UN security council veto. Even their aims on Taiwan should be in question. Bombarding Kyiv and Kharkiv with missiles didn't break either city or soften them for the attackers, and China's strategy for Taiwan relies heavily on missile bombardment. Neverminded their effort to invade would have to be on the scale of D-Day, and painfully obvious to everyone. And they'd be doing so with a lot of tech and tactics based off the Russian's, whose ominous display should keep some of the Chinese high command up at night.

I agree. This will not end well for Russia, and because of that, it is bad for China to be supporting them. I'm just describing their rationale for doing so. There really isn't any other conceivable reason.
 

kage69

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Asking Beijing for MREs? Ridiculous. Can't even plan out your own provisions, eh Vlad? I know you guys suck with logistics, but damn. Oh how the mighty have fallen...

What an ally. They would be all kinds of help going up against a real military alliance, one with a hell of a lot more means and combat experience than Ukraine has. I doubt very much this is lost on Xi Xinping.

There are probably some in China who see this as no different than Putin helping Assad out, also a chance to battle test the prolific variety of Chinese weapons available for export. I just hope the guy in charge ain't one of them.
 

Tsinni Dave

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This is at least what Russia is claiming, as well as more pro-Russia sources like southfront.org.

However, apply this logic: If you were in a city that bas besieged and getting depleted of essentials such as food, wouldn't you exit along a humanitarian corridor? I sure would, unless somebody was holding me against my will.

Latest news is that a caravan of ~160 cars managed to exit just today or yesterday.

Russian sources. Cool.
So those people in the city are all being held there as hostages of the evil Ukrainians but some just slipped out during one of the cease fire agreements the Russians didn't break and escaped their captors by heading to another Ukrainian City that isn't under Russian shelling?
Glad some people got out. Not impressed by the quality of Russian talking points that are getting out though. Weak.
 
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