Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

[amd6502]

Ok, then who is doing it? Because the shelling was definitely happening.

Ya know, for someone who blindly believes sources directly linked to the Russian Government, you have no place whatsoever to tell anyone to think critically.

Ukranian nationalists known as Azov battalion. We are being hit by propaganda from both sides, all you can do is interpolate. In this case, it makes no sense that the Russians would mine and shell their own people that they're trying to protect from the Azovs.

I'm not going to mention critical thinking, but I'd like you to answer the question rather than deflect it. That is,

Why would Russia do this to ethnic Russian Ukranians trying to seek safety in counties aligned to RU (Belarus and Russia)???

^^The question pertains more to cities being evacuated in Crimean regions of Ukraine, like Maripol, and less so Kiev area evacuations.

Now as far as the alleged cluster munition loaded SRBM, I admitted this is from a source that is pro Russia (southfront). But it seems clear that it is a detailed report, with trajectory that has radar tracks, and is quite specific. ("fired from the AFU positions near the city of Krasnoarmeysk (now Pokrovsk), which is located approximately 55 km from Donetsk. It was carried out by the 19th Separate Missile Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine") I'm sure the Russians are archiving such data. They will be able to back up these war crimes with data.

It seems by the way that the Urkanian peace negotiator was not killed directly by the Ukranian secret services (which looks to be ---imho---nationalist infiltrated). Article linked also talks about the refugee status of Maripol.

 

[Amused]

Ukranian nationalists known as Azov battalion. We are being hit by propaganda from both sides, all you can do is interpolate. In this case, it makes no sense that the Russians would mine and shell their own people that they're trying to protect from the Azovs.

I'm not going to mention critical thinking, but I'd like you to answer the question rather than deflect it. That is,



Now as far as the alleged cluster munition loaded SRBM, I admitted this is from a source that is pro Russia (southfront). But it seems clear that it is a detailed report, with trajectory that has radar tracks, and is quite specific. ("fired from the AFU positions near the city of Krasnoarmeysk (now Pokrovsk), which is located approximately 55 km from Donetsk. It was carried out by the 19th Separate Missile Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine") I'm sure the Russians are archiving such data. They will be able to back up these war crimes with data.

It seems by the way that the Urkanian peace negotiator was not killed directly by the Ukranian secret services (which looks to be ---imho---nationalist infiltrated). Article linked also talks about the refugee status of Maripol.

Hint: It isn't "their own people" and they aren't fighting Nazis.

Face it, Ivan, you don't know shit about fuck.

You ask me to answer the question... a question YOU pulled out of your ass.

The area is over 50% ethic Ukrainians. And they are not allowing them to escape WEST.

The Russians are bombing Ukrainian civilians. Period.

 

[brycejones]

Ukranian nationalists known as Azov battalion. We are being hit by propaganda from both sides, all you can do is interpolate. In this case, it makes no sense that the Russians would mine and shell their own people that they're trying to protect from the Azovs.

I'm not going to mention critical thinking, but I'd like you to answer the question rather than deflect it. That is,



^^The question pertains more to cities being evacuated in Crimean regions of Ukraine, like Maripol, and less so Kiev area evacuations.

Now as far as the alleged cluster munition loaded SRBM, I admitted this is from a source that is pro Russia (southfront). But it seems clear that it is a detailed report, with trajectory that has radar tracks, and is quite specific. ("fired from the AFU positions near the city of Krasnoarmeysk (now Pokrovsk), which is located approximately 55 km from Donetsk. It was carried out by the 19th Separate Missile Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine") I'm sure the Russians are archiving such data. They will be able to back up these war crimes with data.

It seems by the way that the Urkanian peace negotiator was not killed directly by the Ukranian secret services (which looks to be ---imho---nationalist infiltrated). Article linked also talks about the refugee status of Maripol.

Your inability to reason is because you have succumbed to Russian propaganda and the classic technique of flooding the zone.

That you keep using Kiev is telling.


Plonk

 

[KMFJD]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1503338513223516161

damn...

 

[rommelrommel]

Ukranian nationalists known as Azov battalion. We are being hit by propaganda from both sides, all you can do is interpolate. In this case, it makes no sense that the Russians would mine and shell their own people that they're trying to protect from the Azovs.

I'm not going to mention critical thinking, but I'd like you to answer the question rather than deflect it. That is,



^^The question pertains more to cities being evacuated in Crimean regions of Ukraine, like Maripol, and less so Kiev area evacuations.

Now as far as the alleged cluster munition loaded SRBM, I admitted this is from a source that is pro Russia (southfront). But it seems clear that it is a detailed report, with trajectory that has radar tracks, and is quite specific. ("fired from the AFU positions near the city of Krasnoarmeysk (now Pokrovsk), which is located approximately 55 km from Donetsk. It was carried out by the 19th Separate Missile Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine") I'm sure the Russians are archiving such data. They will be able to back up these war crimes with data.

It seems by the way that the Urkanian peace negotiator was not killed directly by the Ukranian secret services (which looks to be ---imho---nationalist infiltrated). Article linked also talks about the refugee status of Maripol.

Azov battalion is like a thousand guys. Look up what a battalion is. Use your vaunted critical thinking and us know how many cities you figure they can cover.

 

[amd6502]

Your inability to reason is because you have succumbed to Russian propaganda and the classic technique of flooding the zone.

That you keep using Kiev is telling.

Maybe you missed my edit, I wanted to repose my question in context to Crimean city evacuations. I understand that Kiev has far far fewer ethnic Russian Ukanians.

My guess is Putin is no longer letting Kiev residents flee westward to avoid memers of military or insugents escaping just to get re-armed days later.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Maybe you missed my edit, I wanted to repose my question in context to Crimean city evacuations. I understand that Kiev has far far fewer ethnic Russian Ukanians.

My guess is Putin is no longer letting Kiev residents flee westward to avoid memers of military or insugents escaping just to get re-armed days later.

Kyiv. Kyiv.

 

[brycejones]

Maybe you missed my edit, I wanted to repose my question in context to Crimean city evacuations. I understand that Kiev has far far fewer ethnic Russian Ukanians.

My guess is Putin is no longer letting Kiev residents flee westward to avoid memers of military or insugents escaping just to get re-armed days later.

I don’t see Kiev on a map comrade.

 

[nickqt]

Maybe you missed my edit, I wanted to repose my question in context to Crimean city evacuations. I understand that Kiev has far far fewer ethnic Russian Ukanians.

My guess is Putin is no longer letting Kiev residents flee westward to avoid memers of military or insugents escaping just to get re-armed days later.

Yes, Russian stooge. Putin is murdering Ukrainians in Ukraine because he doesn't want them fighting the Russian invaders currently invading Ukraine.

Thanks for stopping by.

 

[rommelrommel]

Intentionally murdering civilians because you think they might fight later… there’s a term for this, isn’t there?

 

[BoomerD]

Intentionally murdering civilians because you think they might fight later… there’s a term for this, isn’t there?

Being pro-active?

 

[fskimospy]

Ukranian nationalists known as Azov battalion. We are being hit by propaganda from both sides, all you can do is interpolate. In this case, it makes no sense that the Russians would mine and shell their own people that they're trying to protect from the Azovs.

I'm not going to mention critical thinking, but I'd like you to answer the question rather than deflect it. That is,



^^The question pertains more to cities being evacuated in Crimean regions of Ukraine, like Maripol, and less so Kiev area evacuations.

Now as far as the alleged cluster munition loaded SRBM, I admitted this is from a source that is pro Russia (southfront). But it seems clear that it is a detailed report, with trajectory that has radar tracks, and is quite specific. ("fired from the AFU positions near the city of Krasnoarmeysk (now Pokrovsk), which is located approximately 55 km from Donetsk. It was carried out by the 19th Separate Missile Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine") I'm sure the Russians are archiving such data. They will be able to back up these war crimes with data.

It seems by the way that the Urkanian peace negotiator was not killed directly by the Ukranian secret services (which looks to be ---imho---nationalist infiltrated). Article linked also talks about the refugee status of Maripol.

It will all make sense when you realize Russia doesn’t actually give a shit about the ethnic Russians.

 

[KMFJD]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1503483113791447046

makes sense to me, everything's controlled

definitely plausable

 

[nOOky]

Frankly I do not believe he's that crazy. I also do not believe Russians would follow his orders to attack major cities with Nukes. Have faith in humanity. If humanity isn't up to it, too bad. In any case, do you want humanity to live Orwellian simply because those in power will kill everyone if they aren't compliant and are courageous enough to insist on dignified living?

I guess it's okay if Russia slowly bombs everything out of existence in Ukraine over a few weeks versus one big kaboom all at once. I agree, the US needs to shit or get off the pot. Putin is a nail sticking up slightly proud on a wooden floor, and he needs pounding down.

 

[amd6502]

Intentionally murdering civilians because you think they might fight later… there’s a term for this, isn’t there?

Murdering ??! That's quite the leap.

It seems at this point in the game RU military is limiting Kiev evacuations northward. Those two differences can hardly get much bigger.

Everything is in RU's interest to smoothly evac Kiev. Whoever is sabotaging these evac routes obviously is not on the RU side, but on the same side as the ones who've tried to make the demilitarization as bloody as possible.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Murdering ??! That's quite the leap.

It seems at this point in the game RU military is limiting Kiev evacuations northward. Those two differences can hardly get much bigger.

Everything is in RU's interest to smoothly evac Kiev. Whoever is sabotaging these evac routes obviously is not on the RU side, but on the same side as the ones who've tried to make the demilitarization as bloody as possible.

Kyiv. Kyiv. Kyiv.

 

[amd6502]

demands everyone here give personal anecdotal evidence of Nazis in the US.

Perfectly OK for him to accept Putin's word, once, about Nazis in Ukraine.

The fuck are you doing here, seriously? Do you think your arguments are at all valid in a room of adults? Is it possible that you know anyone that actually listens to you?

fucking amateur Nazi hour with you over there.

Nazi amateur hour. With point 1. I've established with great confidence that fringe extremist groups have no effect in US. At best they'll manage to make the news every few years. Nobody has given the name of the shirt guy in the J6 photos yet. If agent provocateur he'll get off with little to 0. If real he'll rank up high among any J6 convictions,

Since it's amateur hour, this is how Nazis are groomed in Ukraine since 2014; real footage (skip to minute 3:50), though I know many of you here will disagree with the fellow's geopolitical interpretation. The footage speaks for itself though,

 

[cytg111]

...I admitted this is from a source that is pro Russia (southfront)...

Yea fuck right on off with that shit.

 

[fskimospy]

Nazi amateur hour. With point 1. I've established with great confidence that fringe extremist groups have no effect in US. At best they'll manage to make the news every few years. Nobody has given the name of the shirt guy in the J6 photos yet. If agent provocateur he'll get off with little to 0. If real he'll rank up high among any J6 convictions,

Since it's amateur hour, this is how Nazis are groomed in Ukraine since 2014; real footage (skip to minute 3:50), though I know many of you here will disagree with the fellow's geopolitical interpretation. The footage speaks for itself though,

Is there any reason you’re stuck on this considering it is very obviously not the reason for the invasion?

 

[trenchfoot]

Kyiv. Kyiv.

Pretty obvious how he consistently uses the Russian version of the word instead of the Ukrainian one as if to declare his loyalty to Putin without actually saying it.

 

[amd6502]

Is there any reason you’re stuck on this considering it is very obviously not the reason for the invasion?

Ethnic Russians getting murdered for the past 8+ years (about 10k) is one of the main reason for the demilitarization.

National security and needing to draw the line at some point on NATO encroachment and breaking of agreements and obligations is probably even a higher priority reason (which is why it's the actually first thing I mentioned in this thread). TLAV who normally does marathon long podcasts does a nice short introduction on this topic, ~8 minutes.

 

[Roger Wilco]

Nazi amateur hour. With point 1. I've established with great confidence that fringe extremist groups have no effect in US. At best they'll manage to make the news every few years. Nobody has given the name of the shirt guy in the J6 photos yet. If agent provocateur he'll get off with little to 0. If real he'll rank up high among any J6 convictions,

Since it's amateur hour, this is how Nazis are groomed in Ukraine since 2014; real footage (skip to minute 3:50), though I know many of you here will disagree with the fellow's geopolitical interpretation. The footage speaks for itself though,

The only thing you’ve established with confidence is personal ridicule.

 

[fskimospy]

Ethnic Russians getting murdered for the past 8+ years (about 10k) is one of the main reason for the demilitarization.

National security and needing to draw the line at some point on NATO encroachment and breaking of agreements and obligations is probably even a higher priority reason (which is why it's the actually first thing I mentioned in this thread). TLAV who normally does marathon long podcasts does a nice short introduction on this topic, ~8 minutes.

That makes little sense - killings Putin clearly didn’t care about for years and NATO encroachment when Ukraine had done almost nothing to move forward on membership.

I’m not sure why you’re so comfortable repeating obvious lies. Hopefully you’re just a troll but in case you actually believe this nonsense I feel sorry for you.

 

[cytg111]

That makes little sense - killings Putin clearly didn’t care about for years and NATO encroachment when Ukraine had done almost nothing to move forward on membership.

I’m not sure why you’re so comfortable repeating obvious lies. Hopefully you’re just a troll but in case you actually believe this nonsense I feel sorry for you.

To be fair, it sounds like he'd have the Stasi breathing down his neck if he said anything else.

 

[sportage]

Ding Ding Ding
Time for another episode of The Devil's Advocate.
I think it's good to play the devil's advocate every once in a while just to keep one focused and to ask ourselves if where we now find ourselves is justified, or maybe just a bit overblown?

The Soviet Union is invading Ukraine. True.
The Ukraine is a democracy. Well, kinda true.
Ukraine is a NATO nation. False.
The US has direct interest in what happens in Ukraine. Not really.
The United States is spending a lot of money on Ukraine. Very true.
The US has humanitarian interest in Ukraine. Only as a concern.
The US media are 100% focused on Ukraine. Also, very true.
The US has shown equal interest in other countries. Not necessarily.
The "MEDIA" has shown similar interest for other countries. Seldom.

A few "other" nations that should get equal attention, but have not:
East African nation of Burundi.
Nigeria.
Central African Republic.
Chad.
Democratic Republic of Congo.
Ethiopia.
Haiti.
Libya.
Mali.
Myanmar.
Niger.
Palestine.
Somalia.
Sudan.
Syria.
Venezuela.
Yemen.

I'm not suggesting that the US does not care about those other nations, or have not sent humanitarian help, but to the extent as with Ukraine? And with the urgency? When was the last time the US news media covered the children dying in Ethiopia 24 hours a day seven days a week? When was the last time Anderson Cooper or Richard Engel stood on the ground in Ethiopia?

Ok, lets forget about Ukraine for a minute.
How about our US news media showing a little interest for the 500,000 homeless right here in the good old US of A ???
Or, how about our own US government spending billions to help and rid America of our homeless?
No worthy enough?
Not photogenic enough?
After all, what America would want to see CNN and Fox cover the homeless crisis right here in America 24 hours a day seven days a week?
And..... LIVE!!!!
Cover it as if to say WE MUST HAVE A SOLUTION RIGHT AWAY.
You know.... like with Ukraine and the Russian invasion.

/End The Devil's Advocate.