Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

[fskimospy]

Easy. Like I said other NATO countries arent contributing.
US to withdraw nearly 12,000 troops from Germany in move that will cost billions and take years - CNNPolitics

Trump defended the decision Wednesday, saying the troop drawdown was taking place because Berlin was not spending the NATO target of 2% of its GDP on defense and because Germany was taking "advantage" of the US.

So he saw the invasion coming and decided to…withdraw troops? Lolwut.

Trump didn’t give a shit about NATO - it is well documented that his plan was to leave the alliance if he won in 2020. The idea that Trump gave any shits about Ukraine is laughable.

The guy only cares about himself. He was not playing the long game to steel NATO against Russian aggression, lol. Like come on, nobody actually believes that.

 

[Homerboy]

He was putting pressure on them because he thought they wouldn’t do it so it would be an excuse for the US to leave the alliance - the disillusion of NATO was one of Trump’s Putin's long term goals.

Trump didn’t see this invasion coming, hell, when it first happened he remarked about what a good idea it was. From all accounts he was barely aware Ukraine existed until he found out he could blackmail them for illegal campaign help.

FTFY, but I see how the lines are blurry.

 

[dullard]

Trump saw coordinated this invasion coming when with Putin in 2020 he moved troops from Germany to Poland. He orchestrated a new SOFA agreement with Poland, because Poland was like "We would love a superpower to have a base here!". The SOFA agreement with Germany was changed, and a new SOFA agreement was established with Poland.

Fixed that for you.

 

[blackangst1]

So he saw the invasion coming and decided to…withdraw troops? Lolwut.

Trump didn’t give a shit about NATO - it is well documented that his plan was to leave the alliance if he won in 2020. The idea that Trump gave any shits about Ukraine is laughable.

The guy only cares about himself. He was not playing the long game to steel NATO against Russian aggression, lol. Like come on, nobody actually believes that.

Youre not that stupid fskimospy. Which country borders Russia...Germany or Poland?

 

[blackangst1]

Fixed that for you.

That makes zero sense. lol

 

[nakedfrog]

Easy. Like I said other NATO countries arent contributing.
US to withdraw nearly 12,000 troops from Germany in move that will cost billions and take years - CNNPolitics

Trump defended the decision Wednesday, saying the troop drawdown was taking place because Berlin was not spending the NATO target of 2% of its GDP on defense and because Germany was taking "advantage" of the US.

Nevertheless Trump saw this coming, and Poland wanted a SOFA agreement with the the US.

Mmm, yes, double down!

 

[K1052]

Youre not that stupid fskimospy. Which country borders Russia...Germany or Poland?

lol

 

[pmv]

Corrected numbers:

Nato summit: What does the US contribute? - BBC News

In 2020, it's estimated that the US spent just over 3.7% of its GDP on defence, while the average for Nato's European members (and Canada) was 1.77% of GDP.

What are you concluding from that? The US uses defence spending as a form of Keynesianism, to create jobs and subsidise industrial sectors considered important. It also has a military presence across the entire planet, for its own geo-strategic benefit. Only part of that spending relates to the defence of Europe.

Also the UK's defence spending as a proportion of GDP since 1945 has generally been comparable to that of the US, at times being greater. Though the UK also has attempted to be a global player (with, er, very variable results) so that explains some of that. I don't know about France, but different countries in Europe are very different - there are quite specific reasons why Germany hasn't spent much on its military (a major one being that nobody wanted them to).

UK defense spending as share of GDP 2021 | Statista

In 2021, the United Kingdom's defense spending as a share of Gross Domestic Product was estimated to have been 2.3 percent.

www.statista.com

Edit I also believe, maybe incorrectly, that being in NATO obliges member states to buy NATO standard equipment, which tends to be US-manufactured. Hence the US benefits from countries joining the alliance.

 

[Homerboy]

While I wish this thread didn't have to exist, I do find it incredibly interesting and "fun".

 

[fskimospy]

Youre not that stupid fskimospy. Which country borders Russia...Germany or Poland?

I encourage you to to look at the total numbers.

 

[cytg111]

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Nevertheless Trump saw this coming,
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What the fuck is it you believe that Trump "saw coming"? You cannot possibly be this retarded.

 

[repoman0]

Trump saw this invasion coming when in 2020 he moved troops from Germany to Poland. He orchestrated a new SOFA agreement with Poland, because Poland was like "We would love a superpower to have a base here!". The SOFA agreement with Germany was changed, and a new SOFA agreement was established with Poland.

I thought this post was satire .. Sadly it seems not.

 

[Homerboy]

Good read on the status of the workers at Chernobyl

https://twitter.com/x/status/1503782135232094216

Inside Chernobyl, 200 Exhausted Staff Toil Round the Clock at Russian Gunpoint

Trapped since their shift 3 weeks ago, the Ukrainians keeping the abandoned nuclear plant safe are ill-fed, stressed and desperate for relief. “Everyone wants to go home.”

www.wsj.com

 

[sandorski]

Easy. Like I said other NATO countries arent contributing.
US to withdraw nearly 12,000 troops from Germany in move that will cost billions and take years - CNNPolitics

Trump defended the decision Wednesday, saying the troop drawdown was taking place because Berlin was not spending the NATO target of 2% of its GDP on defense and because Germany was taking "advantage" of the US.

Nevertheless Trump saw this coming, and Poland wanted a SOFA agreement with the the US.

The US is the only nation to ever request the help of NATO.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Trump saw this invasion coming when in 2020 he moved troops from Germany to Poland. He orchestrated a new SOFA agreement with Poland, because Poland was like "We would love a superpower to have a base here!". The SOFA agreement with Germany was changed, and a new SOFA agreement was established with Poland.

Mmmm not so sure he “saw” it. He loves Putin.
Maybe in Poland so they could assist Putin?
What I am saying is a broken clock is right twice a day…..

I will give the former President credit on upping the pressure on NATO Countries to pay their share of GDP however he wasn’t thinking of our current scenario.

 

[dainthomas]

Corrected numbers:

Nato summit: What does the US contribute? - BBC News

In 2020, it's estimated that the US spent just over 3.7% of its GDP on defence, while the average for Nato's European members (and Canada) was 1.77% of GDP.

If he was worried about a massive imbalance, he could have fixed it by cutting our spending to 2%. That would be more than enough to pay for universal pre-k, MFA, and fix our decrepit infrastructure.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

He was putting pressure on them because he thought they wouldn’t do it so it would be an excuse for the US to leave the alliance - the disillusion of NATO was one of Trump’s long term goals.

Trump didn’t see this invasion coming, hell, when it first happened he remarked about what a good idea it was. From all accounts he was barely aware Ukraine existed until he found out he could blackmail them for illegal campaign help.

Pretty sure you meant dissolution, as in to be dissolved. Though he may have been disillusioned by it too.

Had he remained in office, the 'special military operation' would not have been necessary and he wold have worked with his Puppetmaster to achieve the reunification goal in other ways.

 

[trenchfoot]

Mmmm not so sure he “saw” it. He loves Putin.
Maybe in Poland so they could assist Putin?
What I am saying is a broken clock is right twice a day…..

I will give the former President credit on upping the pressure on NATO Countries to pay their share of GDP however he wasn’t thinking of our current scenario.

It seems to me Trump exploited that issue in order to create disorder and divisiveness in NATO thus giving his buddy Putin exactly what he ordered Trump to do. Trump was given the mission of damaging NATO into irrelevance and was well on his way of doing it. If he had been reelected, he would have made things much easier for Putin to force Ukraine and all of its resources into his control by further damaging the unity NATO requires to be mission capable.

 

[IronWing]

I guess the Germans have been watching the scores of Russian vehicles that are breaking down due to mechanical failure...

When preventative maintenance is literally life.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1503681686944497664

I don't know if the Pentagon still does this but they used to report total troop strength followed by "combat ready" strength to call attention to these types of issues.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

I'm kind of wondering when Vlad will have Donny offed for screwing up so bad.

 

[Ajay]

The Ukrainians have had weeks to fortify the city. Tank obstacles everywhere. The beaches are mined. Untold numbers of RPGs, ATGMs and Grads await. Significant air defenses still active. Strong possibility Ukraine has held Neptune anti-ship missiles in reserve for this very moment.

An amphibious op on Odessa unsupported by a land force as was the plan seems like a horrifyingly bad idea.

On the flip side - a great opportunity to kill a lot of Russians. I've been following to comments of some US generals lately. Their advice typically boils down to the objective for the UA needs to be kill as many Russians as possible. Let the Russian Army run out of body bags as fast as they are running out of food. I realize that this is what these guys are trained to do for their whole careers, but I don’t doubt their advice.

The ship to shore missile attacks that the Russian Navy will launch could be terrible, unless they are short on missiles as well (so some corrupt admirals could make bank - f**king mafia state FTW). So, I hope the RN fails hard.

 

[Grey_Beard]

Mmmm not so sure he “saw” it. He loves Putin.
Maybe in Poland so they could assist Putin?
What I am saying is a broken clock is right twice a day…..

I will give the former President credit on upping the pressure on NATO Countries to pay their share of GDP however he wasn’t thinking of our current scenario.

Nor was he envisioning the $Billions being supplied in weapons from the US and the rest of NATO. He would have probably sanctioned NATO for helping Ukraine.

 

[ivwshane]

Well at least one in this thread.

What a useful idiot that poster is.

 

[Roger Wilco]

Intelligent animals suffering greatly.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1503813575311249416

 

[dank69]

I encourage you to to look at the total numbers.

And a map