Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

[Perknose]

Fair or not fair?
Swimming brand Speedo reportedly cancels deal with Russian Olympic gold medalist after he attends pro-war rally (msn.com)

Well, sure, women and children are being slaughtered by this war this guy openly supports, but he's the real victim?

 

[alien42]

Answering war crimes with war crimes is not the answer.

How about moving them all to cities like Mariupol and let Russia bomb them.

 

[fleshconsumed]

While I agree with you sentiment, it seems the use of chemicals is kinda arbitrary. After all, Russians are still killing people just by another means.

Yes and no. Yes, Russian soldiers are killing tens of thousands of civilians already, however, at least you can escape into the basement or subways to escape the shelling. Sarin gas for example is heavier than air, should Russia to use it there will literally be no place left to hide. This is what happened in Syria, people fled to underground shelter to avoid shelling only to be killed by sarin gas. Using chemical weapons will unquestionably turn this from conventional war into genocide.

That is a very bad idea. Russia clearly does not care about the lives of their soldiers but the countries helping Ukraine would not support mass executions like that.

Exactly. Additionally, right now Russian troops lack any will to fight, and surrendering doesn't seem all that bad when compared to dying on the battlefield. If you threaten them with being executed if captured this will only lead to more atrocities and fierce fighting from Russian soldiers.

 

[K1052]

No, the answer is to treat them incredibly well. If a third country would house them away from the conflict and feed them with a guarantee of repatriation or their choice of applying to another country to stay you'd get more surrendering.

Give them two weeks at an all inclusive in Cancun and then a EU visa. There would be no Russian army in a month.

 

[Roger Wilco]

Nestle hacked.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1506292073850449922

 

[dainthomas]

Yes, they have rail access through Crimea into southeastern Ukraine. Basically everywhere else though they are much worse off.

I still have no idea why that rail bridge into Crimea hasn't been taken out somehow.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

How about moving them all to cities like Mariupol and let Russia bomb them.

Can't do that either. Once in your custody, you're responsible for their well being. The answer is to treat them better than they were in the field and maybe better than they were at home. Do what you can to convert them.

Too many POWs and no way to care for them leads to .... well .... bad things.

 

[K1052]

I still have no idea why that rail bridge into Crimea hasn't been taken out somehow.

Easier said than done I think.

 

[Number1]

I keep thinking about the ~3 generations of NATO commanders that are absolutely salivating at what they're seeing from the Russian ... incompetence in Ukraine. There would be a 48hr operation needed, and this would be over. Maybe 3 days.

That's what Putin was saying.

 

[Number1]

Fair or not fair?
Swimming brand Speedo reportedly cancels deal with Russian Olympic gold medalist after he attends pro-war rally (msn.com)

What could posibly be unfair about this. As a representative of the company, this guy has ro represent the values of the company. Good ridance.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Easier said than done I think.

Weird, in America bridges seem to fall apart without even having to ask them nicely.

 

[woolfe9998]

I agree. If chemicals are used, it's time to enforce a no fly zone and bomb anything capable of launching chemical weapons.

Are you nuts? What is the logical progression after chemical weapons, and do we want to be in a hot war with Russia when that happens?

I'm against any sort of US or NATO military involvement in this war, for any reason. Even if Russia nukes Ukrainian cities. Especially if they nuke Ukrainian cities.

 

[HomerJS]

Are you nuts? What is the logical progression after chemical weapons, and do we want to be in a hot war with Russia when that happens?

I'm against any sort of US or NATO military involvement in this war, for any reason. Even if Russia nukes Ukrainian cities. Especially if they nuke Ukrainian cities.

Just imagine the signal that would send to Putin

 

[dainthomas]

Easier said than done I think.

Seems like the Ukrainian pilots would be salivating at the chance to lob a couple sidewinders or whatever into that bridge. And yeah, maybe I've seen too many movies.

Weird, in America bridges seem to fall apart without even having to ask them nicely.

There was a bridge in Washington that had a truck hit one of the supports and the whole thing went in the drink. And of course the one in Minnesota that fell for no reason at all.

 

[Roger Wilco]

Some frostbite among Russian troops.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1506295174661611529

 

[dainthomas]

Are you nuts? What is the logical progression after chemical weapons, and do we want to be in a hot war with Russia when that happens?

I'm against any sort of US or NATO military involvement in this war, for any reason. Even if Russia nukes Ukrainian cities. Especially if they nuke Ukrainian cities.

Yours is not a common viewpoint. Austin was on one of the Sunday morning shows and said their current position would definitely be reevaluated if WMDs were deployed. I'd imagine a no fly zone would be a minimum.

 

[woolfe9998]

Just imagine the signal that would send to Putin

I don't care about signals. We're not going to war with a country that not only has WMD's but has already shown a willingness to use them. Thankfully Biden is not that stupid.

And to be clear, if Russia attacks a NATO country we will have no choice. At that point it might be prudent to start stocking up on supplies.

 

[woolfe9998]

Yours is not a common viewpoint. Austin was on one of the Sunday morning shows and said their current position would definitely be reevaluated if WMDs were deployed. I'd imagine a no fly zone would be a minimum.

Welcome to every fictional scenario about how a global thermonuclear war starts.

Seriously, people need to THINK first before advocating something disastrous that is based on emotion.

 

[Zorba]

Are you nuts? What is the logical progression after chemical weapons, and do we want to be in a hot war with Russia when that happens?

I'm against any sort of US or NATO military involvement in this war, for any reason. Even if Russia nukes Ukrainian cities. Especially if they nuke Ukrainian cities.

Cool. I'm against gassing Jews, even in Europe. I guess you are cool with it.

WMD usage should always be met with severe and immediate consequences. Especially when done offensively.

 

[Number1]

I don't care about signals. We're not going to war with a country that not only has WMD's but has already shown a willingness to use them. Thankfully Biden is not that stupid.

And to be clear, if Russia attacks a NATO country we will have no choice. At that point it might be prudent to start stocking up on supplies.

We're not doing enough as it is. I have high hope the summit this week will address this issue. Its time to put Russia back in it's place.

 

[dainthomas]

Welcome to every fictional scenario about how a global thermonuclear war starts.

Seriously, people need to THINK first before advocating something disastrous that is based on emotion.

Just telling you what the Secretary of Defense said. And I don't think reacting to major European cities being gassed/nuked/whatever is "based on emotion", but history. Once guys like that see they can get away with something, they'll keep pushing until they hit a line.

 

[Fenixgoon]

I don't care about signals. We're not going to war with a country that not only has WMD's but has already shown a willingness to use them. Thankfully Biden is not that stupid.

And to be clear, if Russia attacks a NATO country we will have no choice. At that point it might be prudent to start stocking up on supplies.

So what's to stop such a from using them on every other country?
At some point you need to say no. If Putin is willing to use WMD against Ukraine, there is no reason he wouldn't be willing use them against anyone else.

Using WMD absolutely should be a red line. Otherwise, Russia can permanently bluff with no recourse. "If you don't do what I want, I'll use WMD like have in the past!"
And by suffering no consequences, that shows it's a viable strategy.

 

[woolfe9998]

Cool. I'm against gassing Jews, even in Europe. I guess you are cool with it.

Wow, I've never seen you make such a dickish remark on this forum. I don't want hundreds of millions, or billions, to die in a nuclear holocaust, so I must be "OK" with Russia gassing Ukraine. Is that really your argument?

WMD usage should always be met with severe and immediate consequences. Especially when done offensively.

Yes, but if they have nukes, economic consequences, not military ones.

 

[Number1]

Welcome to every fictional scenario about how a global thermonuclear war starts.

Seriously, people need to THINK first before advocating something disastrous that is based on emotion.

We need to defeat this evil. It's been around all our life, treatening, invading, assasinating, corupting, flouting international world order.
Here is our chance to deal it a fatal blow.
The Russian don't want to perish in a nuclear inferno anymore than we do and they KNOW this would follow very soon after any nuclear attack.

 

[dainthomas]

We need to defeat this evil. It's been around all our life, treatening, invading, assasinating, corupting, flouting international world order.
Here is our chance to deal it a fatal blow.
The Russian don't want to perish in a nuclear inferno anymore than we do and they KNOW this would follow very soon after any nuclear attack.

Yep. Even if Puti were that unbalanced, you'd have to ask if his chain of command would want to see their homes and families get the glass bowl treatment.