Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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K1052

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I also see no reason they can't join NATO, anyway, or take back the rest of their territory if they see fit, after whatever they sign with Putin.

There is no reason to assume Putin will honor a deal, so fuck that piece of shit. Sign whatever to get RU out of Ukraine ASAP, run in and clean up the occupiers in Crimea and Donbass, let NATO move in.

I fully expect Putin to, sooner or later, violate any agreement. If the Ukrainians happen to be ready to exploit such a situation courtesy US/EU rearmament I would not be sad.
 

cytg111

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I dont see it. Putin CANT have a functional EU democracy on his doorstep with so many family ties into his USSR. Its poison to his regime, his power. I dont know how this equation solves but….
 

zinfamous

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It takes time and effort to gain any reasonable understanding of even the basic functional elements of the economy. It's way easier to just doomscroll imgur. At least at one point in history, we had one hour network news programs that made a reasonable effort to give people some understanding of events. Now we either have the farce that is the 30min network news today or endless blabbering on cable news networks and talk radio. Well, all that, and nobody reads papers, even online versions, anymore.

There is still PBS Newshour, Frontline...and 60 Minutes is still pretty good, but I rarely watch it. But man...there isn't much after that as far as TV real-world information goes.

Print journalism still exists! But few really digest that online, I think? Maybe I'm wrong about that, but I get the feeling most people read aggregators...which doesn't mean they are all bad, it's just they are still aggregators, so more filters applied in certain ways.

I think people digest primary sources less and less these days, which is the underlying issue. And often, primary sources doesn't mean first reported. In fact, that's rarely true, because that isn't journalism. Primary source = the historical record. The story that establishes the known history of an event, takes time and as every human that has ever lived knows, nothing you have experienced in life, when it comes to complex life or news events, has ever been "known" within the first hours or even days, sometimes weeks.

So, the long-form journalism that always requires weeks and years of investigation to uncover and properly document a real event, are being less-read or even, really, less-produced.

Now that I think about it, Vice media does do good work in this. But again, so much buried behind subscription services. Primary information sources need to be free, untrained to profit: e.g., Frontline, but more widely known and commonly digested.
 

sandorski

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There is still PBS Newshour, Frontline...and 60 Minutes is still pretty good, but I rarely watch it. But man...there isn't much after that as far as TV real-world information goes.

Print journalism still exists! But few really digest that online, I think? Maybe I'm wrong about that, but I get the feeling most people read aggregators...which doesn't mean they are all bad, it's just they are still aggregators, so more filters applied in certain ways.

I think people digest primary sources less and less these days, which is the underlying issue. And often, primary sources doesn't mean first reported. In fact, that's rarely true, because that isn't journalism. Primary source = the historical record. The story that establishes the known history of an event, takes time and as every human that has ever lived knows, nothing you have experienced in life, when it comes to complex life or news events, has ever been "known" within the first hours or even days, sometimes weeks.

So, the long-form journalism that always requires weeks and years of investigation to uncover and properly document a real event, are being less-read or even, really, less-produced.

Now that I think about it, Vice media does do good work in this. But again, so much buried behind subscription services. Primary information sources need to be free, untrained to profit: e.g., Frontline, but more widely known and commonly digested.

BBC, DWNews[Deutsche Welle], and France 24 English seem decent. Especially for more Science/Expert based reporting, aka, not many Pundits.
 

zinfamous

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zinfamous

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BBC, DWNews[Deutsche Welle], and France 24 English seem decent. Especially for more Science/Expert based reporting, aka, not many Pundits.

indeed. they are also none of them US based, which is fine...I just mean to indict the US and our mass illiteracy on that state of being, heh.
 

Grey_Beard

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Biden's low favorables are almost entirely due to republican approval being near zilch. Shocking - I know. That, and well, 'it's the economy stupid'. It never seems to matter who caused the economic problems, or why. It only matters who's in office when the problems hit.


Why do we believe this? In the election cycles since 2016, the polling has been wrong. Why would it be right now? If polling cannot be reliable, why are we wringing our hands in anticipation of the events these poll number could provide. Don’t understand that at all.
 

rommelrommel

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I fully expect Putin to, sooner or later, violate any agreement. If the Ukrainians happen to be ready to exploit such a situation courtesy US/EU rearmament I would not be sad.

Ukraine has a current guarantee to not violate their territorial integrity from Russia, that sure worked right?
 

trenchfoot

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Biden's low favorables are almost entirely due to republican approval being near zilch. Shocking - I know. That, and well, 'it's the economy stupid'. It never seems to matter who caused the economic problems, or why. It only matters who's in office when the problems hit.



Well I'm thinking when it comes to pointing fingers the Repubs have a distinct advantage over the Dems in that they're not afraid to lie like there's no tomorrow seeing as if they don't suffer the consequences thereof at all. The Dems however, well they hold themselves to a higher standard and suffer for it at the ballot box. Repubs are very tolerant of the lies they're being told by their leadership knowing full well it's preferrable than facing the facts of what their party has devolved into.
 
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Zorba

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Probably something to do with the fact that in 2001 we saw thousands of Americans die on live TV, and nothing has gotten better since then. Only worse.
ACA made my life better.

Pretty sad if you think nothing in the US has improved in 21 years. No, you'll never wake up one day and all human suffering be gone, but the US has made quite a bit of progress in 20 years. Even if we had to suffer through 12 years of regressive policies.
 

fskimospy

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Why do we believe this? In the election cycles since 2016, the polling has been wrong. Why would it be right now? If polling cannot be reliable, why are we wringing our hands in anticipation of the events these poll number could provide. Don’t understand that at all.
The polls were right in both 2018 and 2020 and their miss in 2016 was within a normal expected polling error. People just noticed in 2016 because the outcome changed.
 

pcgeek11

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Jun 12, 2005
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Well of course not. Why would a Russian plant want to pull money out of Russia?

Ron DeSantis
DeSantis Urged to Untangle Florida's $300M That's Invested in Russia

A possible 2024 GOP presidential candidate hasn't followed the lead of other governors in pulling investment money from Russia.

I think Russia has a lock on divesting from the Russian stock market.

Florida is not alone in this.

For one of the biggest fish in this boat is New York:


Of the city’s money locked into Russian companies, the Teachers Retirement System holds the most – $90 million, followed by the Police Pension Fund ($42.2million); NYCERS, whose members include correction, clerical and sanitation workers ($31.1 million); the NYC Fire Pension Fund ($19.5 million); and the Board of Education Retirement System, ($3.1 million).


But Russia has stymied the New York pension systems and others across the country which want to divest. Moscow closed its stock market to foreigners on Feb. 25 – a hard-ball move seen as retaliation for a US and European freeze on Russian central bank assets.
 
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Jaskalas

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Missing that the people of Donbas have, themselves, fought a bloody war to become Russian.
Crimea never had a choice, OTOH, don't think they even fired a shot to "defend" themselves. Because in both cases, these regions were already Russian in all but name. And since 2014? Russia has imported 500,000 of its people into Crimea. Ukraine has no capacity to lay siege to and win Crimea with HALF of the entire Russian navy sitting off shore and ready to provide support. The land route is a narrow death trap.

Best case, Crimea could be isolated and starved out. But what do you do if you take it, deport hundreds of thousands of Russians back to Russia?
The world might condemn the inevitable humanitarian crisis it'd cause.
 
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