Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

[RnR_au]

I would have thought this would be a strange time for peace talks from the Ukrainian point of view.

On the day of discovery of many executed civilians and even naked females partly burned on the side of a road.

On the day that Ukraine have been given assurances of heavy weapons flowing in from former Soviet countries.

When Starstreak and Switchblades are finally in (or close to being in) the country.

When Russia's Eastern Ukraine campaign is now being hampered by a lack of materials thanks to daring Ukrainian raids inside Russia, which means Russia now have to do air defence in depth along their entire border with Ukraine (which they can't).

Fark no. Ukraine is just getting started...

 

[K1052]

So far news in US seems to be refusing to cover these atrocities- perhaps waiting for independent verification, but lots of supporting proof already including independent press observing the collection of civilian corpses.

On the other hand, several news sources still quoting Russian propaganda calling this a withdrawal to defuse tensions (without attribution or disclaimer).

I’m seeing coverage from AP, Reuters, and WSJ so far. US tv won’t be far behind.

 

[trenchfoot]

I would have thought this would be a strange time for peace talks from the Ukrainian point of view.

On the day of discovery of many executed civilians and even naked females partly burned on the side of a road.

On the day that Ukraine have been given assurances of heavy weapons flowing in from former Soviet countries.

When Starstreak and Switchblades are finally in (or close to being in) the country.

When Russia's Eastern Ukraine campaign is now being hampered by a lack of materials thanks to daring Ukrainian raids inside Russia, which means Russia now have to do air defence in depth along their entire border with Ukraine (which they can't).

Fark no. Ukraine is just getting started...

Ol' Winnie on the topic:

 

[Roger Wilco]

If this is what they did in the North, I assume more of the same everywhere else.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1510304675094044674

Or maybe not.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1510384220698468364

 

[cytg111]

And on the streets of Moscow, business as usual - negligible impact of sanctions, and no recognition that a war is even going on, but concern Poland might “start” a war. Belief companies are just paying lip service to sanctions and will be back to normal in a few months (with real supporting examples). Ruble basically back at pre-war level. And no concern but almost enthusiasm of potential to use nukes to achieve political goals (after years of propaganda normalizing this).

https://twitter.com/x/status/1509758606689939497

Fuck Belarus. With a hammer.
Also, I read elsewhere that 70-80% of the population now supports the war and the once disagreeing oligarks have returned to the fold.... I dont want to let go of that piece of my heart that says thou shall not hate... But ruskies is *reeeeaaaaally* pushing my buttons.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Charge him with War Crimes. Issue an international warrant for his arrest. He'd never be able to travel again, at least not openly.

Wonder if she reads ATPN?

Ex-UN prosecutor urges global arrest warrant for Putin



GENEVA (AP) — The former chief prosecutor of United Nations war crimes tribunals for the former Yugoslavia and Rwanda has called for an international arrest warrant to be issued for Russian President Vladimir Putin.

 

[Roger Wilco]

Jet fighters and missiles haven’t come out of Belarus for ~24 hours.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1510331258068516875

 

[Leeea]

I’m seeing coverage from AP, Reuters, and WSJ so far. US tv won’t be far behind.

Main Stream News will verify before publishing.

 

[Leeea]

If this is what they did in the North, I assume more of the same everywhere else.

Spoiler: twitter links

https://twitter.com/x/status/1510304675094044674

Or maybe not.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1510384220698468364

It was not just military aged men. I saw teenage girls in the bodies along side the roads.

 

[Racan]

Interesting method of retrieving the wounded.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1510359136239853568

 

[Zorba]

Yeah, as an expert in weapon systems (by which I mean "having just earlier today spent two minutes scan-reading wikipedia") I'm not sure flares would have helped, given the guidance system that Starstreak uses (it involves lasers...though in some complex fashion that doesn't require continual target 'painting').

However, you'd think if the helicopter crew _had_ flares, they'd be firing them off anyway (as they probably didn't have time to check wikipedia) so the point still stands, no?

I'm wondering if there are so many manpods and small AA missile systems around that these shoot downs are happening in route where the pilots aren't expecting to be engaged.

 

[rommelrommel]

I would have thought this would be a strange time for peace talks from the Ukrainian point of view.

On the day of discovery of many executed civilians and even naked females partly burned on the side of a road.

On the day that Ukraine have been given assurances of heavy weapons flowing in from former Soviet countries.

When Starstreak and Switchblades are finally in (or close to being in) the country.

When Russia's Eastern Ukraine campaign is now being hampered by a lack of materials thanks to daring Ukrainian raids inside Russia, which means Russia now have to do air defence in depth along their entire border with Ukraine (which they can't).

Fark no. Ukraine is just getting started...

Their position in the east is pretty dire despite Russian difficulties. It’s one thing to mount a successful flexible defence, switching to the offence is really difficult.

 

[bguile]

Yeah, as an expert in weapon systems (by which I mean "having just earlier today spent two minutes scan-reading wikipedia") I'm not sure flares would have helped, given the guidance system that Starstreak uses (it involves lasers...though in some complex fashion that doesn't require continual target 'painting').

However, you'd think if the helicopter crew _had_ flares, they'd be firing them off anyway (as they probably didn't have time to check wikipedia) so the point still stands, no?

They did use flares. The video that is posted is a shortened version showing the moment the one helicopter got hit . There is a longer version where you see one of them fire off flares as soon it does that weird thing where they pull up to fire off their rockets.

edit: replied to the wrong person.

 

[Leeea]

MSN is reporting it, but it is being downplayed a bit or kept off the headline:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/04/02/ukraine-russia-bucha/

Bucha’s mayor, Anatoly Fedoruk, said in an interview that around 270 local residents had been buried in two mass graves. He estimated that 40 people were lying dead in the streets. Some had been bound and executed — shot in the back of the head, he said.

Streets of Kyiv suburb ‘littered’ with bodies, 280 buried in mass grave

Almost 300 people were buried in a mass grave in Bucha, a commuter town northwest of Ukraine’s capital Kyiv, its mayor said Saturday.

nypost.com

Almost 300 people were buried in a mass grave in Bucha, a commuter town northwest of Ukraine’s capital Kyiv, its mayor said Saturday, after the Ukrainian army retook control of the key town from Russia only to find corpses strewn throughout the community.

Russian retreat leaves trail of dead civilians in Bucha, a town near Kyiv

Dead civilians still lay scattered over the streets of the Ukrainian country town of Bucha on Saturday, three days after the invading Russian army pulled back from its abortive advance on Kyiv to the southeast.

www.reuters.com

Bucha's still-unburied dead wore no uniforms. They were civilians with bikes, their stiff hands still gripping bags of shopping. Some had clearly been dead for many days, if not weeks.

Ukrainians Count Dead, Dig Mass Graves, Clear Land Mines After Russian Pullback

Ukrainian forces cleared mines and counted the dead around the capital following recent Russian troop withdrawals, as Moscow shifted military operations to the country’s east.

www.wsj.com

Ukrainians Count Dead, Dig Mass Graves, Clear Land Mines After Russian Pullback

Hundreds buried in mass grave in Bucha, near Kyiv: Mayor

Anatoly Fedoruk says the recaptured town’s streets are littered with corpses of civilians killed by Russian forces.

www.aljazeera.com

“In Bucha, we have already buried 280 people in mass graves,” Mayor Anatoly Fedoruk told the AFP news agency by phone on Saturday. He said the heavily destroyed town’s streets are littered with corpses.

He said the victims were men and women, and that he had seen a 14-year-old boy among the dead.

 

[Dave_5k]

Bit easier to read map with good overview of current positions in Ukraine vs. last week, one of the more accurate ones based on what I’ve seen across multiple sources.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1510424383310995456

Edit: Minor supply line notes: Russia has secure rail lines direct from Russia both into Crimea and into LNR/DNR, and from Crimea Russia rail now extended to at least Melitopol and possibly further East. Where the North had long supply lines, South is far easier for Russia to keep supplied (and reinforced)

 

[Tsinni Dave]

MSN is reporting it, but it is being downplayed a bit or kept off the headline:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/04/02/ukraine-russia-bucha/

Streets of Kyiv suburb ‘littered’ with bodies, 280 buried in mass grave

Almost 300 people were buried in a mass grave in Bucha, a commuter town northwest of Ukraine’s capital Kyiv, its mayor said Saturday.

nypost.com

Russian retreat leaves trail of dead civilians in Bucha, a town near Kyiv

Dead civilians still lay scattered over the streets of the Ukrainian country town of Bucha on Saturday, three days after the invading Russian army pulled back from its abortive advance on Kyiv to the southeast.

www.reuters.com

Ukrainians Count Dead, Dig Mass Graves, Clear Land Mines After Russian Pullback

Ukrainian forces cleared mines and counted the dead around the capital following recent Russian troop withdrawals, as Moscow shifted military operations to the country’s east.

www.wsj.com

Hundreds buried in mass grave in Bucha, near Kyiv: Mayor

Anatoly Fedoruk says the recaptured town’s streets are littered with corpses of civilians killed by Russian forces.

www.aljazeera.com

When Hitler tried this tactic against Russia it really worked out well.

 

[Racan]

The Russians can strike fuel storage terminals too, and they just did unfortunately in Odessa

https://twitter.com/x/status/1510483152715796486

 

[Leeea]

The Russians can strike fuel storage terminals too, and they just did unfortunately in Odessa

Russia has striking fuel terminals for weeks now.

Russia's systematic destruction of Ukrainian hospitals is a much larger problem:

War Crimes Watch: Russia's onslaught on Ukrainian hospitals

The AP and Frontline have teamed up to track evidence of potential war crimes committed during the largest conflict in Europe since the end of World War II. Here's what they found.

apnews.com

For a month now, Russian forces have repeatedly attacked Ukrainian medical facilities, striking at hospitals, ambulances, medics, patients and even newborns — with at least 34 assaults independently documented by The Associated Press.

 

[Racan]

Russia has striking fuel terminals for weeks now.

Russia's systematic destruction of Ukrainian hospitals is a much larger problem:

War Crimes Watch: Russia's onslaught on Ukrainian hospitals

The AP and Frontline have teamed up to track evidence of potential war crimes committed during the largest conflict in Europe since the end of World War II. Here's what they found.

apnews.com

I wonder why they haven't struck Odessa's fuel stores before today, maybe they were still delusional enough to think they could take the town and make use of them.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Trickling out ....

Ukraine documents alleged atrocities by retreating Russians

CBS News|36 minutes ago
Ukrainian troops are finding brutalized bodies and widespread destruction in suburbs of the capital as Russian soldiers withdraw.

 

[Racan]

Animals

https://twitter.com/x/status/1510408177996775425

 

[Dave_5k]

I wonder why they haven't struck Odessa's fuel stores before today, maybe they were still delusional enough to think they could take the town and make use of them.

Odessa’s mayor was one expected to fully side with the Russians - if they could have gotten troops there quickly. But rampant Russian war crimes and atrocities have now made that politically not viable.

 

[kage69]

Executing parents in front of their children, then raping young girls?

Wipe these animals out Ukraine. No quarter. Unless Russian troops are taking advantage of your offers of clemency (and have been vetted), put them down like diseased dogs, with extreme prejudice.

 

[K1052]

Eastern Europe and the Baltics are going to see Russian atrocities as an existential crisis because they well remember what the Soviets did to them and current Russian government mouthpieces are literally saying they are nest.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1510553043938467840

 

[cytg111]

Animals

https://twitter.com/x/status/1510408177996775425

What the actual...

Give Putin one day to execute those soldiers or get glassed over. Fuck it, lets go out in a bright light.