Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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K1052

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I do wonder what all those people who wanted to join Russia think of being essentially a part of Russia now.

Before the war there was an extensive story about people in occupied Donbas who had buyers remorse because the local Kremlin backed "authorities" were extremely corrupt and the economy went to shit. They realized Russia didn't care about them at all really.
 
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fskimospy

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And that likely wouldn't be possible today, given our weapon systems that were developed specifically to be able to combat the same tactics (long range ultra-precise explosives, able to hit supply lines 50+km behind enemy lines, AI controlled flying swords seeking bars and stars, among other things).
Yeah like I said earlier in this thread the days of massed armored spearheads are waaaaaaaay over. When you try that in modern warfare you get this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_of_Death
 

brycejones

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Sure is.

As of yesterday, the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense is claiming the following Russian casualties:

  • 41,350 Russian troops killed (approximately three times that number wounded and captured)
  • 4,022 armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles destroyed
  • 2,922 vehicles and fuel tanks
  • 1,774 tanks
  • 939 artillery pieces
  • 740 tactical unmanned aerial systems
  • 223 fighter, attack, and transport jets
  • 259 Multiple Launch Rocket Systems (MLRS)
  • 191 attack and transport helicopters
  • 180 cruise missiles shot down by the Ukrainian air defenses
  • 118 anti-aircraft batteries
  • 83 special equipment platforms, such as bridging equipment
  • 15 boats and cutters
  • four mobile Iskander ballistic missile systems
  • And a Flagship to the bottom of the sea!


I believe the Brits were saying KIA was more like 50k, but no matter, that's a shitty ballpark.
Just sing it to the 12 Days of Christmas.
 
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Racan

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There are no surprises here, but now it is officially recognized as a reality.


 

Asterox

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Sure is.

As of yesterday, the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense is claiming the following Russian casualties:

  • 41,350 Russian troops killed (approximately three times that number wounded and captured)
  • 4,022 armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles destroyed
  • 2,922 vehicles and fuel tanks
  • 1,774 tanks
  • 939 artillery pieces
  • 740 tactical unmanned aerial systems
  • 223 fighter, attack, and transport jets
  • 259 Multiple Launch Rocket Systems (MLRS)
  • 191 attack and transport helicopters
  • 180 cruise missiles shot down by the Ukrainian air defenses
  • 118 anti-aircraft batteries
  • 83 special equipment platforms, such as bridging equipment
  • 15 boats and cutters
  • four mobile Iskander ballistic missile systems


I believe the Brits were saying KIA was more like 50k, but no matter, that's a shitty ballpark.

It can claim as they want. There is very good reason, way you dont want to list your own casualties.Pure logic, Ukraine is hiding the brutal reality=but that will not help them at all in the war with the Russians.

https://kyivindependent.com/uncateg...umber-of-military-casualties-until-end-of-war

 

Michael

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You'll quote the article and blow up/bold the text, but you still refuse to link the source? Again, your personal annotations don't really mean much without support. It's easy, even faster, to do it in a way that doesn't get your post dismissed out of hand. Like this:

The Russian military keeps pushing in the Donbas, but without results



Making others do your legwork doesn't inspire confidence in the accuracy of your opinions. Just sayin.
I don’t see anything that I agreed to that says I need to follow rules you make up. So I will keep posting how I want to.
 
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UNCjigga

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It is a deeply weird statement - 'by defending the cities that Russia is attempting to take Ukraine is putting civilians in harm's way.'

I mean I guess, although I think I would put it as Russia putting civilians in harm's way by attempting to conquer cities.

I don't understand why an army without an air superiority advantage isn't basing their personnel and weapons systems out in the open fields!!!
 
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Roger Wilco

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I can't tell if these incidents have actually increased since the February invasion, or if this is just another day in Putin's Russia and the world is just now paying attention.

Most of the time it’s anyone’s guess.

Just helps me sleep at night.
 
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Michael

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Just understand that others may see your posts as less than forthright and give them the appropriate weight based on that.
OMG, the politics and news forum that I have been posting on for decades may not view what I say in the best of light.

I cited the source - CNBC and the headline is basically the article. Some posters here seem to feel that only relentless and poorly sources messages that are relentlessly positive about Ukraine are fine.

More somber but still supportive posts, now those need extra support.

My only reason for the more downbeat posts I make is because the UA is getting hammered daily and have lost a lot of their experienced and highly trained soldiers. They have been mounting a heroic defense of their home. Amazing courage and execution against a foe that most thought would make short work of them.

However, losing slowly is still losing. If they do not keep getting a constant stream of weapons and supplies and support, that losing slowly may be losing faster.

Excessive hopes about a southern offensive can be dangerous as well. Russia has troops there and is moving more in.

So far Ukraine has done way better than I thought and I really to the bottom of my heart hope it continues and even improves. But I am not going to ignore that they still are in a very bad situation.
 

K1052

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Saw recently they found stuff on a Russia KIA that indicated he had just signed a 6 month contract and was 44 years old. That seems a mite desperate for manpower.

The continuing story has been the Russian government widening the permissible range of volunteers (age, criminal background, etc) because they've got a critical manpower shortage. These new troops aren't really being trained much either and a lot of the most experienced ones are either dead or wounded. Putin has so far been unwilling to call for a true mobilization but even if he did soon I'm not sure that those troops would have anything to fight with that came off the line during my lifetime.
 
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Michael

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The continuing story has been the Russian government widening the permissible range of volunteers (age, criminal background, etc) because they've got a critical manpower shortage. These new troops aren't really being trained much either and a lot of the most experienced ones are either dead or wounded. Putin has so far been unwilling to call for a true mobilization but even if he did soon I'm not sure that those troops would have anything to fight with that came off the line during my lifetime.
Most stories about the Ukrainian Army have been similar. Lightly trained territorial defense forces thrown into the fight in the East when they were not expecting that.

Russia is (political considerations) fighting with one hand tied behind their back because they don’t want to fully mobilize. Ukraine is not, they are sending what they can.
 
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uallas5

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Most stories about the Ukrainian Army have been similar. Lightly trained territorial defense forces thrown into the fight in the East when they were not expecting that.

Russia is (political considerations) fighting with one hand tied behind their back because they don’t want to fully mobilize. Ukraine is not, they are sending what they can.
Yeah, that kinda happens when your country is invaded by a much larger one bent on your destruction. It instantly becomes an "all hands on deck" situation, even if many of those hands are not the best trained or possibly kitted out. As time goes on, there are less and less those "lightly trained" forces. Some become hardened by the crucible of war, while others are being rotated out, trained up by the UK, then rotated back in. But it's not like Ukraine had a choice. Russia did, but they opted to be festering, pustulous assholes.
 

K1052

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Most stories about the Ukrainian Army have been similar. Lightly trained territorial defense forces thrown into the fight in the East when they were not expecting that.

Russia is (political considerations) fighting with one hand tied behind their back because they don’t want to fully mobilize. Ukraine is not, they are sending what they can.

My point was that most of Russia's advantages have been neutralized. They're relying increasingly older equipment operated by undertrained troops. They used their artillery because they had enough of it to matter (even if wildly innaccurate) but their arty logistics have been put into shambles due to US supplied MLRS.
 
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JTsyo

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It is a deeply weird statement - 'by defending the cities that Russia is attempting to take Ukraine is putting civilians in harm's way.'

I mean I guess, although I think I would put it as Russia putting civilians in harm's way by attempting to conquer cities.
It would make sense if Russia was only hitting the armed forces but Russia is purposefully targetting civilians. Not much Ukraine can do. After we've seen what Russia does to captured cities, how can you tell Ukraine to not defend cities?
 

fskimospy

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Most stories about the Ukrainian Army have been similar. Lightly trained territorial defense forces thrown into the fight in the East when they were not expecting that.

Russia is (political considerations) fighting with one hand tied behind their back because they don’t want to fully mobilize. Ukraine is not, they are sending what they can.
To some extent I agree, although as others have pointed out full mobilization by Russia may be less helpful than people think because they do not appear to have the equipment to outfit them.
 
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dainthomas

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Sure is.

As of yesterday, the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense is claiming the following Russian casualties:

  • 41,350 Russian troops killed (approximately three times that number wounded and captured)
  • 4,022 armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles destroyed
  • 2,922 vehicles and fuel tanks
  • 1,774 tanks
  • 939 artillery pieces
  • 740 tactical unmanned aerial systems
  • 223 fighter, attack, and transport jets
  • 259 Multiple Launch Rocket Systems (MLRS)
  • 191 attack and transport helicopters
  • 180 cruise missiles shot down by the Ukrainian air defenses
  • 118 anti-aircraft batteries
  • 83 special equipment platforms, such as bridging equipment
  • 15 boats and cutters
  • four mobile Iskander ballistic missile systems


I believe the Brits were saying KIA was more like 50k, but no matter, that's a shitty ballpark.

Wow, basically three Afghanistans for Russia and putin's still in power. That's nuts.
 

dainthomas

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Most stories about the Ukrainian Army have been similar. Lightly trained territorial defense forces thrown into the fight in the East when they were not expecting that.

Russia is (political considerations) fighting with one hand tied behind their back because they don’t want to fully mobilize. Ukraine is not, they are sending what they can.

And of course they have the latest weapons instead of props from Rambo 3.
 

kage69

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I don’t see anything that I agreed to that says I need to follow rules you make up. So I will keep posting how I want to.

This latest comprehension fail makes me suspect English is not your first language, is that correct? Honest question.

You're pulling a victim card again; no one is making up rules or even directing you to them - you're being asked support your positions (again) with source links, and it's curious why you still can't bring yourself to do that. We're making a concerted effort to prevent misinformation here I thought, does that not align with your priorities?

Read my last comment on legwork again, think about it. This isn't hard to understand Mike, or shouldn't be.
 
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