Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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VRAMdemon

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Is Roger Waters a Tankie? At least, that’s the impression one gets from his interview with CNN, in which he claims, that Russia is only invading Ukraine to defend itself from NATO aggression, that Joe Biden is a war criminal for not encouraging Zelensky to capitulate, and that the US deserves no credit for winning WWII because the Soviets had already won the war by the time they joined. Among other things.


It's really disappointing seeing some of these classic rock legends turning into mush-brained boomers. I certainly didn’t expect someone so anti-war, anti-authoritarianism, and anti-fascism as the guy who wrote The Wall to decide “actually Russia and Putin are just A-OK". In reality though, Water's has been opposed to the western establishment his whole life. Putin’s Russia is also opposed to the western establishment, and therefore, in his eyes, they’re on the same side. That’s what happens when you define yourself by what you’re against instead of what you’re for.
 

K1052

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Some new holes in the Antonovsky bridge. Looks like they are patching the existing ones in the road deck by laying bits of steel over the holes and throwing some asphalt on it....that's not a structural repair. Can't see how (or perhaps if) they've tried to repair the damage to the beam (which now has at least one fresh hole).

 
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Zorba

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Also don't see how this isn't the final nail in the coffin for traditional nuclear power. It is obvious man is too stupid and immature to handle the responsibility that comes with operating these plants.
 

K1052

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If this is true, NATO needs to make it very clear this will start MAD and every city in Russia will be turned to glass within 30 minutes.

Don't even need to go that far. Just promise them that in the event they blow the plant NATO will retaliate with the full range of conventional assets at its disposal. The Russian military, or what's left of it, wouldn't last a week.

Also don't see how this isn't the final nail in the coffin for traditional nuclear power. It is obvious Russians are too stupid and immature to handle the responsibility that comes with operating these plants.

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Captante

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Don't even need to go that far. Just promise them that in the event they blow the plant NATO will retaliate with the full range of conventional assets at its disposal. The Russian military, or what's left of it, wouldn't last a week.


Tempting just to completely agree but the issue is that all this would do is delay the full nuclear-exchange that ends the human race not prevent it.

As soon as it became clear Russia was going to lose a conventional war the nukes would fly.

Don't forget the first letter of MAD stands for "mutually".
 

K1052

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Tempting just to completely agree but the issue is that all this would do is delay the full nuclear-exchange that ends the human race not prevent it.

As soon as it became clear Russia was going to lose a conventional war the nukes would fly.

Don't forget the first letter of MAD stands for "mutually".

Putin would almost certainly likely be assassinated if he tried to order a first strike.
 

IronWing

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cytg111

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Tempting just to completely agree but the issue is that all this would do is delay the full nuclear-exchange that ends the human race not prevent it.

As soon as it became clear Russia was going to lose a conventional war the nukes would fly.

Don't forget the first letter of MAD stands for "mutually".

I dont think so, if the stated mission is to stop at the border, then it is what it is... what happens in Ukraine stays in Ukraine.
 

Dave_5k

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Deliberately blowing up the facility could result in massive deadly fallout in Europe and would likely be considered an act of war.
The Russians would just claim it was the Ukrainians, and call for an investigation, while they get political support and coverage from Russian-infiltrated "independent" international agencies.

The Russian state media has subsequently deleted their clear message threatening nuclear terrorism from media sites ~ not supposed to admit to the criminal plans.
 
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Captante

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I dont think so, if the stated mission is to stop at the border, then it is what it is... what happens in Ukraine stays in Ukraine.

If the Russians are on the verge of getting their heads handed to them by NATO forces Putin will become even more desperate then he already is.

I'm not willing to bank on him being "sane" and making the wise decision based on what he's done so far are you?
 

K1052

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The claymores suggest that the U.S. is acknowledging that the high tech stuff can damage the Russians but it's going to take a long slog through the mud to drive them out.

These have been on the list a few times. Likely popular items for convoy ambushes and for partisan attacks in occupation officials.
 
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K1052

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The Russians would just claim it was the Ukrainians, and call for an investigation, while they get political support and coverage from Russian-infiltrated "independent" international agencies.

The Russian state media has subsequently deleted their clear message threatening nuclear terrorism from media sites ~ not supposed to admit to the criminal plans.

Occupation of the site is assumption of full responsibility for its safe operation. That nonsense ain't going to fly.
 
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cytg111

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If the Russians are on the verge of getting their heads handed to them by NATO forces Putin will become even more desperate then he already is.

I'm not willing to bank on him being "sane" and making the wise decision based on what he's done so far are you?

... Yea.
In a mutual assured destruction scenario, the only way to make absolutely sure that at least one of us walks away is for me to play Russian roulette 6 times without spinning the cylinder.
And then im like. Nah. Fuck him. Lets play that other game.
 
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Captante

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This is why that "nuclear countdown" clock keeps ticking closer to midnight!

Its only a matter of time now till somebody nukes something although I still feel like a terrorist's "dirty-bomb" is the most likely.

 
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