Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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Muse

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Russians need time desperately so hitting power and other infrastructure to sow some chaos should be expected. If they don’t buy more time now they will not have any hope of stabilizing their front lines.
Is there really any hope for that? Seems doubtful.
 
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biostud

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That and the fact that no-one on the planet has the inventory that the US has.
That and the EU doesnt have a centralized command to authorize its collective military potential.(that should change).
NATO members is increasing its budgets, but still at 2.0% its like, HAH, in the face of the US complex.
I think bio is right, its gonna be in the long haul, rebuilding of Ukraine, inclusion into the EU family where our bill comes due. Lets no-one forget that while everyone else chipped hardware in, Ukrainians did the bleeding and dying. We owe them. Like big time.

Looking at the poker table right now, its friggin weird, hands have been defined, and its pretty clear that as long as someone can push MAD all in on the table you can be like 2-7 off suit, open cards and still not get cleaned out, cause you still have that MAD chip no matter what.

Also some countries spend lots of money on the military side of international conflicts, and others spend more on the humanitarian aid. But that probably belongs in another thread.
 
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kage69

Lifer
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I’d like some confirmation but *high eyebrow raise*



What in the hell?

Did they actually use Abrams to smash through the other day? That would be some impressive sneakiness right there if true, damn. Russians getting a taste of 73 Easting would explain the shock and running I guess. That's a SEPV3 too, I wonder if Poland said Hey give our first batch to Ukraine please. That could be a Polish forest though, def need some confirmation here.

 
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K1052

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What in the hell?

Did they actually use Abrams to smash through the other day? That would be some impressive sneakiness right there if true, damn. Russians getting a taste of 73 Easting would explain the shock and running I guess. That's a SEPV3 too, I wonder if Poland said Hey give our first batch to Ukraine please. That could be a Polish forest though, def need some confirmation here.

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It looks like trolling. Good trolling however.
 

kage69

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I would have thought photos would have emerged before now if the Abrams was on the scene.

As would I, though having control of the countryside during wartime and being able to impose media blackouts both offer some utility in keeping secrets. Moving things at night can help.

I'm relatively sure we gave them a few ATACMS rounds to use, though I've never seen a photo of them in any M142 sent to Ukraine.
 
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NTMBK

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Yeah that Abrams image is some bullshit. It's in a forest somewhere on planet earth, great evidence.
 
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kage69

Lifer
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Now is the perfect time to really pummel the Russians with demoralizing news and psyops, they are absolutely exhausted and desertion is getting worse for them. They know winter will break them.

But if weeks from now I see GoPro footage of Ukrainians using Abrams to kill and run off Russians, that works for me too.
 
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quikah

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Statement from Zelensky:

Telegram: Contact @V_Zelenskiy_official

Google translate:
Even through the impenetrable darkness, Ukraine and the civilized world clearly see these terrorist acts.
Deliberate and cynical missile strikes on civilian critical infrastructure. No military facilities. Kharkiv and Donetsk regions were cut off. In Zaporizhia, Dnipropetrovsk, and Sumy there are partial problems with power supply.

Do you still think that we are "one people"?
Do you still think that you can scare us, break us, make us make concessions?
You really did not understand anything?
Don't understand who we are? What are we for? What are we talking about?
Lip read:
Without gas or without you? without you
Without light or without you? without you
Without water or without you? without you
Without food or without you? without you
Cold, hunger, darkness and thirst are not as terrible and deadly for us as your "friendship and brotherhood".

But history will put everything in its place.
And we will be with gas, light, water and food.. and WITHOUT you!
 

zinfamous

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Conservative Groups Urging Lawmakers To Vote ‘No’ On More Ukraine Aid
"This new package will prolong a fight that lacks an American dog"

Republicans bemoan and then act to oppose stopping Russia.
Turning the defense of Europe from an invading army, one that is committed to ethnic cleansing and Genocide.... into a partisan issue.

I MUST REPEAT this grave offense.

Republicans are treating the stopping of Genocide as a partisan issue.
Fuck those traitors.

"It's just some of them".
In Congress maybe, but narratives presented on Fox have frequently opposed helping Europe over Russia. Day in and day out they plant seeds of doubt among our people. Of who the good / bad guys are. Why we must fight to stop Genocide. Hell, they likely host questions whether ethnic cleansing is even occurring or if Ukraine belongs to Russia. They are working as a subtle mouth piece for Vlad the Butcher and when I hear of actual consequences from this months long propaganda effort for Russia.... my blood boils.

And maybe I am reacting more... having heard this BS from my local MAGA. From the Republicans they trust, convincing them to oppose stopping Russia. They would have Russia win if they had their way. If Republicans controlled our Government.

The majority of the GOP is so firmly penetrated by Russian oligarch money that they have no other choice. Their wealth, and probably some of their lives, depend on flying the Putin flag.

I've said it many times before, but this is just one of the many reasons that the world can't survive the continued existence of this GOP. They have to fucking eradicated.
 

Greenman

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Honestly, I would not like that. I think that any use of nukes should be permanently off the table internationally. Very very bad precedent. Yes, it happened in 1945, but that should not happen again. Besides, the nukes of today make those look like firecrackers.
I get it, I don't ever want to see a mushroom cloud over Russia, but how do you measure one big boom against the thousands of lives already snuffed out, and the thousands more that will die? The calculus of murder isn't something anyone wants to think about, but we're dealing with a man that will kill any number of people to reach his own goals. Where is the line that can't be crossed?
 
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rommelrommel

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I get it, I don't ever want to see a mushroom cloud over Russia, but how do you measure one big boom against the thousands of lives already snuffed out, and the thousands more that will die? The calculus of murder isn't something anyone wants to think about, but we're dealing with a man that will kill any number of people to reach his own goals. Where is the line that can't be crossed?

If it's gotta happen it has to be done by his own military.
 
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Muse

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Kremlin narrative is crumbling. But Putin is not at fault;
These guys are bickering, arguing, obviously beside themselves with anxiety. They are panicked. Everybody is talking over the next guy. The shit has hit the fan in Russia. I don't know where this is going but this is a great development that "pundits" in Russia are TOTALLY FLIPPING OUT!
 
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Muse

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I get it, I don't ever want to see a mushroom cloud over Russia, but how do you measure one big boom against the thousands of lives already snuffed out, and the thousands more that will die? The calculus of murder isn't something anyone wants to think about, but we're dealing with a man that will kill any number of people to reach his own goals. Where is the line that can't be crossed?
You drop a nuke on the Kremlin and figure, OK, problem solved? That was pretty much the thinking in 1945 but Japan didn't have nukes. Russia has more nukes than any other country on the planet. Use some imagination, man... Have you heard of MAD?
 
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Muse

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If it's gotta happen it has to be done by his own military.
Well, from within Russia somehow. The Kremlin has gone to great lengths to protect itself from a military coup from within. I don't know how robust that is, but have read some material on it. High ranking military there are quite restrained.
 
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Leeea

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I’d like some confirmation but *high eyebrow raise*

its fake

I’m not as well versed on military equipment. Is that an Abrams?
yes, and it is fake

Yes. Unclear if legit or the Russians getting trolled again.
its trolling

What in the hell?

Did they actually use Abrams to smash through the other day? That would be some impressive sneakiness right there if true, damn. Russians getting a taste of 73 Easting would explain the shock and running I guess. That's a SEPV3 too, I wonder if Poland said Hey give our first batch to Ukraine please. That could be a Polish forest though, def need some confirmation here.
its fake
 
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