Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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K1052

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I really don't understand why shit like this gets posted. Decoys become less effective when the whole world knows they exist and what they look like.

If it’s a reasonably convincing decoy I’m not sure it matters a lot. Other decoys are hilariously shitty like the Russian SAM launchers that sway in the wind like of of those inflatable tube figures at a car dealership.
 
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RnR_au

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A couple of bits on the Russian economy;

Russia’s budget surplus for 2022 has almost evaporated after a sharp drop in energy exports during August led to a monthly deficit of as much as Rbs360bn ($5.9bn).
https://www.ft.com/content/d9cdc51f-5fe3-4f4a-b0e8-054ef21a2a6e

In other words, Russia can't pay for its war anymore with oil and gas. It finally has to dig into its war chest.

The monthly inflation is still double digits, but that seems par for the course in wartime Russia. Seems to be less sever than in 2014;

Source

The Russian Government have begun planning for belt tightening;
Russian business daily Vedomosti reported Wednesday, citing sources close to the government, that the finance ministry had told government agencies they would need to cut spending by 10% in 2023. Defense spending, however, was set to rise, Vedomosti quoted one source close to the defense ministry as saying.
Source



 
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whyitso

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Well according to @whyitso that was all the Ukrainian's fault. How dare they defend their country.
Hi.
First, figure out how many civilians are there and how many are military. There have been publications long before about the many bodies of dead Ukrainian soldiers in that area, which the Ukrainian authorities did not want to take away. RF forces buried them, put crosses on graves, and wrote "AFU" on the crosses. Look at the pictures carefully. Victims of war crimes are not buried in neatly decorated graves with crosses.
You are ready to accept any lie of the Kiev regime that demonizes Russia.
 

fskimospy

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Hi.
First, figure out how many civilians are there and how many are military. There have been publications long before about the many bodies of dead Ukrainian soldiers in that area, which the Ukrainian authorities did not want to take away. RF forces buried them, put crosses on graves, and wrote "AFU" on the crosses. Look at the pictures carefully. Victims of war crimes are not buried in neatly decorated graves with crosses.
You are ready to accept any lie of the Kiev regime that demonizes Russia.
Funny how Ukraine’s military is so capable at staging fake war crimes in every place they liberate.

It would also be easier to believe Russia wasn’t engaging in war crimes if they didn’t spend so much effort firing missiles into civilian areas. Let me guess though, more elite Ukrainian psyops.
 

Brovane

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Hi.
First, figure out how many civilians are there and how many are military. There have been publications long before about the many bodies of dead Ukrainian soldiers in that area, which the Ukrainian authorities did not want to take away. RF forces buried them, put crosses on graves, and wrote "AFU" on the crosses. Look at the pictures carefully. Victims of war crimes are not buried in neatly decorated graves with crosses.
You are ready to accept any lie of the Kiev regime that demonizes Russia.

Why are some civilian bodies being found buried with hands tied behind their back and ropes around their necks? Let me guess it is all lies from the Ukrainian government?

FYI - It is spelled Kyiv not Kiev.
 

Jaskalas

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sigh, why

Video was linked earlier, but here's the text.

Russia strikes Pivdennoukrainsk nuclear power plant
The blast took place 300 meters away from the reactors and it damaged power plant buildings, the attack has also damaged a nearby hydroelectric plant and transmission lines."

Having lost two battles, if not the war, Russia is flailing at civilian infrastructure with their missiles. If they cause a nuclear incident... we must treat it equal to a nuclear strike. We must use force against Russia ourselves.
 
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whyitso

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You like to quote Strelkov aka Girkin's pessimistic posts here. Read this post of his as well:
Today, the artillerymen of the AFU (and, indeed, any soldiers and, especially, officers of this mercenary-aboriginal US army) can be proud - it has been a long time since they managed to hit the civilians of Donetsk so successfully. If on Sunday they managed to kill 9 civilians of the DPR and wounded 13 more with several successful hits, today - with a single 155-mm shell (kindly supplied by NATO) they "killed" 13 people (and seriously wounded many more) at once!
The hit was directed exactly to the strategic military object - a store "Jam" on the square "26 Bakinskikh Komissarov". Blood streams on the asphalt, pieces of bodies - scattered for dozens of meters. What else could be more pleasant for the "defenders of Ukraine" than the mass murder of Russian residents of Donetsk? I congratulate them (and their American masters) on this outstanding military success! And, of course, I also congratulate them on the fact that this is never a "red line" - for 8 and a half years it has been empirically established that it does not run in Donbass (and recently it turned out that even Belgorod is far from it).

How it was covered by Ukrainian popular news feed:
"Thirteen people were killed after the shelling of Donetsk by the Rashists.
The occupants shelled Baku Commissars Square in the Kuibyshevsky district of the city. The Rashists themselves blame the Ukrainian Armed Forces."
In all such cases, the laughing smiley used to have the advantage, but now it has been removed from the reaction options.

Who do you think the people of Donetsk blame for the shelling? This is one of the shelling that has been going on for over eight years. What do they think of the Ukrainian government when they see the Ukrainian version of events and these smiley faces?
 

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fskimospy

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You like to quote Strelkov aka Girkin's pessimistic posts here. Read this post of his as well:


How it was covered by Ukrainian popular news feed:
"Thirteen people were killed after the shelling of Donetsk by the Rashists.
The occupants shelled Baku Commissars Square in the Kuibyshevsky district of the city. The Rashists themselves blame the Ukrainian Armed Forces."
In all such cases, the laughing smiley used to have the advantage, but now it has been removed from the reaction options.

Who do you think the people of Donetsk blame for the shelling? This is one of the shelling that has been going on for over eight years. What do they think of the Ukrainian government when they see the Ukrainian version of events and these smiley faces?
What evidence would it take for you to admit Russia is engaging in systematic war crimes in Ukraine?
 
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kage69

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Hi.
First, figure out how many civilians are there and how many are military. There have been publications long before about the many bodies of dead Ukrainian soldiers in that area, which the Ukrainian authorities did not want to take away. RF forces buried them, put crosses on graves, and wrote "AFU" on the crosses. Look at the pictures carefully. Victims of war crimes are not buried in neatly decorated graves with crosses.
You are ready to accept any lie of the Kiev regime that demonizes Russia.


Comrade! Looks like you're not supporting your leader on the ground in the war you support, why it so?

Russia demonizes itself with it's own ACTIONS, you accept (and promote) any lie that legitimizes and excuses their crimes.

Feel free to address that clip I posted about the child kidnapping, sending Ukrainian children to more than a dozen different regions of Russia - described by the Russians doing it. If you can fit it in, I'm sure it's a busy schedule denying the mass graves of tortured and executed Ukrainians.
 

fskimospy

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Comrade! Looks like you're not supporting your leader on the ground in the war you support, why it so?

Russia demonizes itself with it's own ACTIONS, you accept (and promote) any lie that legitimizes and excuses their crimes.

Feel free to address that clip I posted about the child kidnapping, sending Ukrainian children to more than a dozen different regions of Russia - described by the Russians doing it.
*puts on Russian propagandist hat*

Look, Ukraine is a war-torn country that currently has about 20% of its land area occupied by murderous fascists. That's no place for kids!
 

whyitso

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Russia could be stoking up the scare factor. Will a frighten public support full mobilisation?
mobilization from the grassroots is already underway. The authorities and the general staff do not explain what they are doing and how they are correcting mistakes, so more and more of society is getting involved in helping the front. There is a growing understanding that this is a war of the United States and its allies to destroy Russia. And the elites are acting as if they still hope to negotiate over their seized capitals and return everything to the way it was. Or negotiate and buy Ukrainian elites. Or to buy Western politicians. Or buy more troops. In general, to defeat evil with money. And people are better off fighting for ideas and they are in severe dissonance from what is going on.
And there are more and more demands to respond with cruelty for cruelty, to destroy all power plants in Ukraine, as Ukraine does with Donetsk and Russian territories.
 

Commodus

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Hi.
First, figure out how many civilians are there and how many are military. There have been publications long before about the many bodies of dead Ukrainian soldiers in that area, which the Ukrainian authorities did not want to take away. RF forces buried them, put crosses on graves, and wrote "AFU" on the crosses. Look at the pictures carefully. Victims of war crimes are not buried in neatly decorated graves with crosses.
You are ready to accept any lie of the Kiev regime that demonizes Russia.

To add what others have said: it's very odd to claim Kiev "demonizes" Russia when Putin has lied about virtually every aspect of the war — the reasons for invasion, the nature of the Ukranian government, Russia's attacks against civilians, even Russia's retreats. And don't forget, Putin is an autocrat who is known to rig elections and have political opponents assassinated. Why would you trust him or his leadership after that?

For that matter, even Russian music legends like Alla Pugacheva have condemned Russia's invasion of Ukraine as a waste of life for "illusory aims." If one of your country's most iconic figures can see the truth, surely that should give you something to think about.

This isn't to say Ukraine is perfect; I'm sure it's embellishing events or otherwise trying to portray its side in the best light. But it has a much better track record for honesty than Russia, and it has far more incentives to tell the truth than its invader.
 

zinfamous

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Hi.
First, figure out how many civilians are there and how many are military. There have been publications long before about the many bodies of dead Ukrainian soldiers in that area, which the Ukrainian authorities did not want to take away. RF forces buried them, put crosses on graves, and wrote "AFU" on the crosses.

Never fucking happened.
 
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whyitso

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Putin is an autocrat who is known to rig elections and have political opponents assassinated. Why would you trust him or his leadership after that?
I don't like Putin, voted for the opposition and funded it. But now I despise those people in opposition who wish for the defeat of our country and the death of motherland soldiers. And most of people the same.
Country leaders and country not the same.

For that matter, even Russian music legends like Alla Pugacheva have condemned Russia's invasion of Ukraine as a waste of life for "illusory aims." If one of your country's most iconic figures can see the truth, surely that should give you something to think about.
is an old schemer, long ago turned into a producer pushing her protégés onto the stage. She has no reputation and never had any moral authority, which doesn't make her pop songs any worse.
Russian stars have been an object of contempt for most Russians since the beginning of the war. Especially those who fled to Israel and condemned the aggression from there. But they will never condemn Israeli aggression against their neighbors.
Now all the stars who want to continue making money in Russia go to charity concerts in the war zone.
 

zinfamous

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mobilization from the grassroots is already underway. The authorities and the general staff do not explain what they are doing and how they are correcting mistakes, so more and more of society is getting involved in helping the front. There is a growing understanding that this is a war of the United States and its allies to destroy Russia. And the elites are acting as if they still hope to negotiate over their seized capitals and return everything to the way it was. Or negotiate and buy Ukrainian elites. Or to buy Western politicians. Or buy more troops. In general, to defeat evil with money. And people are better off fighting for ideas and they are in severe dissonance from what is going on.
And there are more and more demands to respond with cruelty for cruelty, to destroy all power plants in Ukraine, as Ukraine does with Donetsk and Russian territories.

Great! So did you pack enough strops to help carry back some coveted washing machines during your inevitable retreat?
 

whyitso

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You are being lied to. Russian forces can leave whenever they like, and this will end.
Haha. Abandon Donetsk, Lugansk and Crimea? It is Zelensky peace conditions. And Ukrainians would be pleased imminently and will not require astronomical reparations and terrorist groups wouldn't attack Russia every day after the peace declaration?
 

whyitso

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Great! So did you pack enough strops to help carry back some coveted washing machines during your inevitable retreat?
Do you really believe in stealing washing machines? Contract soldiers with a salary of 3300 USD will steal used washing machines (150 USD price of new one) with a delivery price of 300 USD?
I think you're a smart man and you're just trolling me.
 

fskimospy

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Also in case anyone is wondering @whyitso is lying about Russian wages. It's true that recent offers have been that high due to recruitment troubles but by most indications that salary is about 300% the normal Russian soldier salary. So if someone's making $1,000 per month stealing a washing machine that represents 15% of your monthly salary suddenly makes perfect sense.
 

Roger Wilco

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Do you really believe in stealing washing machines? Contract soldiers with a salary of 3300 USD will steal used washing machines (150 USD price of new one) with a delivery price of 300 USD?
I think you're a smart man and you're just trolling me.

Russian women are thrilled with their new washing machines. Although the blood of Ukrainian children is reportedly tinting everything red.
 
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