Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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Perknose

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Do you really believe in stealing washing machines? Contract soldiers with a salary of 3300 USD will steal used washing machines (150 USD price of new one) with a delivery price of 300 USD?
I think you're a smart man and you're just trolling me.
There is photographic evidence and innumerable first person accounts of the looting. What about the mass graves in Izium (sic) and about Bucha? Bodies of civilians with their hands tied behind their backs?

You are lucky to have alternate sources of information right in this forum. Confront them. Confront your country and what it is doing. Confront yourself.

Otherwise, you are the troll here.
 

cytg111

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mobilization from the grassroots is already underway. The authorities and the general staff do not explain what they are doing and how they are correcting mistakes, so more and more of society is getting involved in helping the front. There is a growing understanding that this is a war of the United States and its allies to destroy Russia. And the elites are acting as if they still hope to negotiate over their seized capitals and return everything to the way it was. Or negotiate and buy Ukrainian elites. Or to buy Western politicians. Or buy more troops. In general, to defeat evil with money. And people are better off fighting for ideas and they are in severe dissonance from what is going on.
And there are more and more demands to respond with cruelty for cruelty, to destroy all power plants in Ukraine, as Ukraine does with Donetsk and Russian territories.
lol you’re gonna get flatlined, you understand this right? Please tell me that you do. No way for you to win this in ANY capacity. If you escalate with nervegas or tacticals, the west will supply weapons in kind to Ukraine.
You fucked yourself with incompetence… you had one shot… and when those two days were over, it was OVER. Only a matter of how many young Russian boys still to meet their fate in a war that is not theirs.
Fucked. You. Are.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Haha. Abandon Donetsk, Lugansk and Crimea? It is Zelensky peace conditions. And Ukrainians would be pleased imminently and will not require astronomical reparations and terrorist groups wouldn't attack Russia every day after the peace declaration?
Yep. Putin overextended his reach, and now he's going to pay the cost. They'll lose the territory they took, and if they're lucky that's all that will happen. In another 20 years or so, Russia's economy might recover from this catastrophe of poor planning.
 

Zorba

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mobilization from the grassroots is already underway. The authorities and the general staff do not explain what they are doing and how they are correcting mistakes, so more and more of society is getting involved in helping the front. There is a growing understanding that this is a war of the United States and its allies to destroy Russia. And the elites are acting as if they still hope to negotiate over their seized capitals and return everything to the way it was. Or negotiate and buy Ukrainian elites. Or to buy Western politicians. Or buy more troops. In general, to defeat evil with money. And people are better off fighting for ideas and they are in severe dissonance from what is going on.
And there are more and more demands to respond with cruelty for cruelty, to destroy all power plants in Ukraine, as Ukraine does with Donetsk and Russian territories.
So let me get this straight. Your leadership is so poor, they decided to start a war where the United States is trying to destroy Russia? Seems like if that was the consequence, you shouldn't have started a completely optional war.

You sound like a little kid "He made me hit him!" Except "He made me hit him, so he could beat the shit out of me, it's not fair!"
 

rommelrommel

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mobilization from the grassroots is already underway. The authorities and the general staff do not explain what they are doing and how they are correcting mistakes, so more and more of society is getting involved in helping the front. There is a growing understanding that this is a war of the United States and its allies to destroy Russia. And the elites are acting as if they still hope to negotiate over their seized capitals and return everything to the way it was. Or negotiate and buy Ukrainian elites. Or to buy Western politicians. Or buy more troops. In general, to defeat evil with money. And people are better off fighting for ideas and they are in severe dissonance from what is going on.
And there are more and more demands to respond with cruelty for cruelty, to destroy all power plants in Ukraine, as Ukraine does with Donetsk and Russian territories.

It's odd that while I think Putin is a very intelligent person who has made a mistake with limited exit plans that don't lead to him no longer being in charge, you think he is a blithering idiot who has got himself into a completely unnecessary battle for the existence of Russia against an adversary that can afford to spend him into oblivion. All he had to do was believe the USA and allies when they said they'd back Ukraine, and they've been backing them since the last time Putin invaded so it's not like it was a stretch to think they were sincere.
 

Commodus

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I don't like Putin, voted for the opposition and funded it. But now I despise those people in opposition who wish for the defeat of our country and the death of motherland soldiers. And most of people the same.
Country leaders and country not the same.

Russia must be defeated in this war. It's the only morally acceptable option. The invasion was unprovoked, was based on false pretenses and has done untold damage to Ukraine's people and cities. Ukraine should not only retake all the territory Russia stole in this war, but reclaim Crimea as well.

With that said, I want to make it clear: ideally, Russia saves its remaining soldiers by immediately withdrawing all its forces and signing a peace treaty. I don't want unnecessary wastes of life. I just won't feel very sorry for Russian soldiers who willingly participate in a horrific invasion and get killed in the process.
 

cytg111

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Haha. Abandon Donetsk, Lugansk and Crimea? It is Zelensky peace conditions. And Ukrainians would be pleased imminently and will not require astronomical reparations and terrorist groups wouldn't attack Russia every day after the peace declaration?
You think there is any path forward where this is not an integral part of your future? They will NEVER stop! Well maybe with the dissolution of Russia, hanging of Putin, reparations and reforms towards democracy. Cant terrorize Russia if there is no Russia.
 
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zinfamous

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Haha. Abandon Donetsk, Lugansk and Crimea? It is Zelensky peace conditions. And Ukrainians would be pleased imminently and will not require astronomical reparations and terrorist groups wouldn't attack Russia every day after the peace declaration?
--Why shouldn't Russia abandon illegally occupied and stolen territories?

--Why shouldn't they be forced to pay reparations for the hundreds of thousands that they have absolutely murdered and tortured through their dedicated campaign of genocide and general terror against the Ukrainians?

The above are two unassailable facts about the actual situation that is occurring in the real world that exists. It isn't debatable. You don't have an "alternative perspective" on this matter that is couched in any reality that real humans live in.
Russia actually doesn't have to do all that much to meet either of those conditions (leaving is pretty fucking easy).

Also, meeting those requirements certainly doesn't require the protracted response of "terrorist groups" operating against Russia after those conditions are actually met.


So, I don't understand your post. It is based on plain lies that literally no one of any consequence would ever agree to, and you then act as if it is impossible to stop the genocide that you support. I guess I don't understand your question.
 

zinfamous

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Do you really believe in stealing washing machines? Contract soldiers with a salary of 3300 USD will steal used washing machines (150 USD price of new one) with a delivery price of 300 USD?
I think you're a smart man and you're just trolling me.

lol that you seem to think RUA soldiers are being paid 3300 USD.

LMFAO! You might want to ask yourself why your "adequately compensated" terrorist green men find it necessary to steal appliances from the invaded and also sell all of the gear donated to them by idiot Russian citizens that are also thoroughly engaged in supporting this genocide.


lol. 3300 USD. lol.
 
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Dave_5k

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Basically everyone in the Russian military chain of command has demonstrated zero interest in following any of the Geneva Conventions, can read through the articles and basically check off every single item as being repeatedly and deliberately violated by Russia.

Sadly, even the leadership is unlikely to be held to account.
 
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KMFJD

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looks like an older atgm, went straight, the new effective ones all attack from the top



Wife of a conscript unsuccessfully tries to stop her husband from being sent to the front (in Luhansk)
 
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K1052

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The M55S is a Frankenstein's monster of Soviet, Slovenian, British, and Israeli upgrades. Ukraine needs relatively speedy IFVs with 20 or 30mm cannons that can transport infantry. They've got enough fuel guzzling Russian tank and the 105mm gun creates another supply headache for a rather limited number of vehicles. If you want to send MBTs send something with major advantages like Leopard 2s.

 

whyitso

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There is photographic evidence and innumerable first person accounts of the looting. What about the mass graves in Izium (sic) and about Bucha? Bodies of civilians with their hands tied behind their backs?

You are lucky to have alternate sources of information right in this forum. Confront them. Confront your country and what it is doing. Confront yourself.

Otherwise, you are the troll here.
Do you mean this evidence? Fresh blood and clean ropes. It rather looks like the recent victim of cleansing and elimination of “collaborators” executed by Ukrainian nationalist troops
 

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fskimospy

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Do you mean this evidence? Fresh blood and clean ropes. It rather looks like the recent victim of cleansing and elimination of “collaborators” executed by Ukrainian nationalist troops
Same question as before - what evidence would it take for you to accept that Russia is committing systematic war crimes in Ukraine?

Since presumably you just want to know the truth if Russia IS committing systemic war crimes there you would want to know and condemn this, right?
 
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pmv

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The M55S is a Frankenstein's monster of Soviet, Slovenian, British, and Israeli upgrades. Ukraine needs relatively speedy IFVs with 20 or 30mm cannons that can transport infantry. They've got enough fuel guzzling Russian tank and the 105mm gun creates another supply headache for a rather limited number of vehicles. If you want to send MBTs send something with major advantages like Leopard 2s.


I'd never heard of it. It doesn't seem to have a wiki page (or even a mention under the T55 article), but google produces this as one of the first hits, which seems to support your comment!

 
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kage69

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The UN should be shown live footage from Izium as entire families of executed Ukrainians are removed from those mass graves.

The Russians ran from Balakliya so fast they left tortured Ukrainians locked in the police station jail they were using.. Add electrocution to the list of abuses, normal beatings and rape are getting boring I guess.

Whyitso, is it money or just satisfaction you get from this? I'm genuinely curious why you choose to defend Putin's war and genocide. None of this would be happening were it not for Russia's thirst to control and invade, tens of thousands of Russians and Ukrainians would still be alive. Does Ukrainian prosperity give you nightmares as well?
 
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fskimospy

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The UN should be shown live footage from Izium as entire families of executed Ukrainians are removed from those mass graves.

The Russians ran from Balakliya so fast they left tortured Ukrainians locked in the police station jail they were using.. Add electrocution to the list of abuses, normal beatings and rape are getting boring I guess.

Whyitso, is it money or just satisfaction you get from this? I'm genuinely curious why you choose to defend Putin's war and genocide? Does Ukrainian prosperity give you nightmares as well?
Also for an insight into Russia's character just look at how they conducted themselves in Chechnya, Syria, etc.

Like I've said before at this point Russia is essentially an organized crime family that took control of a state. You think the mob gives a shit about war crimes?
 
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