Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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cytg111

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Not irrelevant dude.
This unlocks hardware and doctrine. Lets wait and see what Pentagons response is…

Little bitch is flaunting nuclear again.
 
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gorobei

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I stand 100% behind blowing that bridge and taking Crimea.
If I had it my way, we would be doing these things ourselves.
there are reasons to leave it standing for now.
primary ones: difficulty to destroy, single route makes intel gathering easier, allows escape route for fleeing units and ru leaning civilians so fewer AFU deaths in retaking crimea.
 

gorobei

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I thought it was ironic Russia has to use old North Korean ammunition stock, while Ukraine gets the newly made Iranian ammo.


We do need to convert Ukraine over to NATO though. It turns out our stuff is just better.
the wartechtubers have commented on this.

the big stuff(jets and tanks) are kind of in a long term vs short term quandary.
what Ukraine need right now are jas39 gripens (operation on highways, easy maintenance by conscripts) but the US has several 100's of f-16s available sitting in storage (100% compatibility with US weapons) but they need long finished runways and technical maintainers. same with the abrams but getting them across the ocean and the UKR crews trained means they probably wouldn't get there in time to be useful. that makes the leopards better, but how many does the EU have to spare?
(But yes, the sooner they are 100% nato gear and sead ready, the rus air defense becomes super irrelevant. wild weasels represent!)

good news is the soviet gifts keep on giving. UKR su-24's are being brought back into service. they got ~200 su-24 after the fall of the soviets. [indexed to time]
David Axe also goes into the ru 3rd army corp issues, also the UKR spec op usage of the navy boats/ribs we sent at the start.


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it seems the Finnish airforce F-18s have been practicing taking off, landing, and re-arming on highways without needing arrestor cables, so we could theoretically give Ukraine some F/A-18 or even the EF-18G.
boeing and their senators have been forcing hornets down the navy's throat these last few years, so there could be a deal to be made.
 
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K1052

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Germany could probably scrape together 100 Leopard 2s in decent shape not part of army stocks fairly quickly. More if donor nations sent theirs in for reworking. They’ve got the only open tank line in Europe and they are widely used so training and spares would not be a problem.

Ukraine needs a more solid air defense net so they can do training and maintenance in country without having to worry about cruise missiles.
 
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K1052

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Seems like Russia is getting some help from Iran, which is not that easily countered:

Russia’s Use of Iranian Kamikaze Drones Creates New Dangers for Ukrainian Troops - WSJ

Long term this is likely not a viable solution for the Russians since the Ukrainians will likely figure out how to jam and interdict them. Also Ukraine is likely to obtain and/or develop its own long range loitering munitions in the near future. Weapons that could be used deep in Russian territory.
 
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Number1

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What if he nukes a UKA city then demands a surender?

Or use tactical nuke to defend the "new" homeland?
 
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cytg111

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Then I assume that some generals will call some other generals and inform them that they need to fly this motherfucker or shit is happening, six hours starting now.
 
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Roger Wilco

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gtfo



“Direct flights from Moscow to countries that don’t require visas to enter — including Turkey, Azerbaijan and Armenia — have sold out until at least Friday, according to Russian outlet RBC.

On the Turkish Airlines website, direct flights from Moscow to Istanbul are sold out through Friday. A Saturday ticket for the four-and-a-half hour flight costs 173,000 rubles (€2,870). Before Putin's announcement, a one-way ticket cost about €350.”
 

Number1

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gtfo



“Direct flights from Moscow to countries that don’t require visas to enter — including Turkey, Azerbaijan and Armenia — have sold out until at least Friday, according to Russian outlet RBC.

On the Turkish Airlines website, direct flights from Moscow to Istanbul are sold out through Friday. A Saturday ticket for the four-and-a-half hour flight costs 173,000 rubles (€2,870). Before Putin's announcement, a one-way ticket cost about €350.”

One of our very own putin suporter has been conspiciously absent recently. Could it be that he is scrambling to get a ticket?
 

Jaskalas

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Putin's NUCLEAR threat to the West: Vladimir warns Ukraine's allies he will use 'weapons of destruction', announces mobilisation of another 300,000 troops and declares 'I am NOT bluffing'
  • Vladimir Putin has threatened the West with nuclear weapons over Ukraine, telling leaders: 'I'm not bluffing'
  • Desperate despot also announced mobilisation of 300,000 reservists, first Russian mobilisation since WW2
  • Occupied Ukrainian territories will be annexed to Russia, he said, and 'all means' will be used to defend them
Vlad the Butcher gone MAD.
He vows nuclear war over victory in Ukraine.
 
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