Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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Leeea

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Ballistic attack intercepted? Where are we shooting it down from?
Space? The Rocinante's PDC's? Maybe we sent Superman over already.


Both Poland or Romania could take the intercept:
The U.S., Romania and Poland have deployed the land based Aegis BMD.
1,200 km range
Those interceptors can not only intercept over Ukraine, they can intercept all the way to Moscow. Poland to Moscow is 1149 km.

This ignores the much more common sea borne version of the same system, which is common on NATO warships.


Most of Russia's nuclear assets and infrastructure are in the Murmansk area, which will be exposed to boost range intercept from NATO warships in the Baltic sea and Norwegian sea.
 
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rommelrommel

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I do not advocate a full scale nuclear exchange. I asked a question. Some of the responses were akin to fantasies of armchair generals.

The U.S. cannot possibly interdict the Russian Navy while at the same time remaining ready to battle the Chinese Navy. How is this going to be done? It took all of one sailor to start a fire that destroyed the amphibious assault ship USS Bonhomme Richard.

Does the U.S. have the wherewithal to invade and retake Crimea? Why would the U.S. want to? Does the U.S. Air Force have the weapons and capability to seriously degrade Russia's command structure?

What countries and supposed allies are going to lend a hand in all of this? I don't believe NATO nations want to risk the destruction of their countries and peoples, unless they are directly attacked.

Much of the Russian Navy is in port, the navy wouldn't even be used for that duty aside from carrier strikes. Same for the surface Russian Navy at sea, they have no aviation so they just get picked apart. Getting their subs will take longer but they can't stay submerged forever.

The PLN is only dangerous near China, unlikely we're going to war with them soon too.

Does the US Air Force have the ability to seriously degrade Russian command, sure seems so. For a limited goal like recapture of Crimea I feel it's not even close to a hard task.

I do think that a wide coalition of countries would come together to punish Russia for an offensive nuclear strike. I think it would even get the PRC squarely on board.
 
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WelshBloke

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Yes if anything this war has shown the US military has no peer and it's not even close. The 'second best army in the world' is getting absolutely bodied by a far weaker country utilizing only a fraction of our combat capabilities.
The only US 'weakness' has really been about boots on the ground and being an occupying force.
The boots on the ground here would be Ukrainian and this is a legitimate liberation so no occupying force needed, also no power vacuum as the Ukrainian police can take over.
 
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Dave_5k

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I agree. Although depending on how Russia uses a nuke could result in an accidental nuclear response from the US if the attack is misinterpreted.

I’m thinking a scenario where Russia decides to use a ballistic launcher from well inside it’s borders because they don’t want to risk moving tactical warheads that use shorter range delivery systems close to the border. There would be a small chance the US could minterpret that attack as an attack on NATO and respond accordingly.
If Russia were to use a nuke, it is at least as likely to hit NATO staging area such as Ramstein airbase in Poland, as anything further east.
 
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kage69

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Anyone ever wonder how this war might have played out differently if the Donald had a second term???

I don’t know if Ukraine would’ve had access to the same pre-invasion intelligence or the same level of US aid post-invasion.


Would have fucked Ukrainians like he did the Kurds, after trying to extort them again probably.

Daddy Putin would demand it.
 
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fskimospy

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Both Poland or Romania could take the intercept:


Those interceptors can not only intercept over Ukraine, they can intercept all the way to Moscow. Poland to Moscow is 1149 km.

This ignores the much more common sea borne version of the same system, which is common on NATO warships.


Most of Russia's nuclear assets and infrastructure are in the Murmansk area, which will be exposed to boost range intercept from NATO warships in the Baltic sea and Norwegian sea.
1,200km must be a mid course guidance intercept. I am…skeptical of our mid course intercept abilities to put it mildly. It’s true they have gone from laugh out loud worthless to something better than that but I strongly suspect a sophisticated enemy would be able to overcome it fairly easily.

As far as a boost phase intercept goes I find it unlikely Russia would elect to fire a strike from somewhere we could hit them during boost.
 
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Leeea

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1,200km must be a mid course guidance intercept. I am…skeptical of our mid course intercept abilities to put it mildly. It’s true they have gone from laugh out loud worthless to something better than that but I strongly suspect a sophisticated enemy would be able to overcome it fairly easily.

As far as a boost phase intercept goes I find it unlikely Russia would elect to fire a strike from somewhere we could hit them during boost.
How effective will it be is quite the crispy question.


But if Russia uses a traditional ballistic launcher for a nuke, NATO is going to be thinking about taking shots at it because who knows where it is going to land.


If NATO does intercept and then show it was a nuke, that is going to change things.
 
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Brovane

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How effective will it be is quite the crispy question.


But if Russia uses a traditional ballistic launcher for a nuke, NATO is going to be thinking about taking shots at it because who knows where it is going to land.


If NATO does intercept and then show it was a nuke, that is going to change things.

Russia has been regularly launching missiles into Ukraine, striking cities and infrastructure far behind the lines. Some of those missiles in the future could be nuclear armed and we would never know it until the nuke detonates.

The good thing is the missiles that Russia has been using on Ukraine are much more easier to shootdown than a traditional ballistic missile. We should continue focusing on increasing Ukraine's Air Defense so more of these missiles can be intercepted and shootdown.
 
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Muse

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You tell someone to get off an Internet thread as if you were at best 12 years old and call me a boy. Riiight. You've been doing this very thing lately to a variety of people, it's a pattern.

I'll wait for you to explain what it is I said or did that you disagree with or found wrong to get the bullying Internet tough guy to come out in you or how about you just privmsg / DM me and let me know there and we can talk about it and get this shit off the thread since you cannot apparently fathom the prospect of putting my words that apparently trigger you on ignore.
I am not angry with you or antagonistic or wanting to not see another post from you, I merely suggested you stop posting in this particular thread... your posts here have not been a good look. You saw the criticism they engendered. I didn't criticize you or your posts at all.
 
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trenchfoot

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In other news, it looks like this time Russia is able to get a 1891 Mosin-Nagant for everyone!:
All my shit posts are coming true today.


I am very surprised. I was under the impression all the functional 1891 Mosin-Nagants had been sold to the west on the collectors market.

edit:
@RnR_au
Thanks for the correction below


Geeez, are those actual spike stabbers mounted on muzzles? The kind from way way way back when?
 
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woolfe9998

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So apparently 6400 Russians either drove or walked into Finland, yesterday. That is just the number who fled to one country, in 24 hours?


Pretty sure I read somewhere that during the Vietnam War, about 25K Americans fled the country to avoid the draft. But that is over an 8 year period, not a single day. And that was a pretty unjust and shitty war in and of itself.

Someone mentioned up thread about low birthrates in Russia and how all the men dying in Ukraine would affect that. Well what about all the people who are flat out leaving because they don't want to die in Ukraine?

PS: just read the article more closely. Some of it is ordinary tourism or business travel. But the number is about 2x what it normally would be on a weekday. So probably about half are leaving.
 
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Zor Prime

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What countries and supposed allies are going to lend a hand in all of this? I don't believe NATO nations want to risk the destruction of their countries and peoples, unless they are directly attacked.
I suspect we would risk trying to fire on anything we perceive as a nuclear threat, but as far as initiating a nuclear strike in retaliation to anything non-NATO I don't see it happening. Perhaps even if it were in response to something landing or otherwise detonating in a NATO country, I don't think it's an automatic guarantee despite what's written on paper, signed and agreed before potential domestic losses are calculated.

The truth of the matter for the USA is that this war is just about on the other end of the planet. Seemingly it is agreeable to make use of Ukraine as a proxy battleground while supporting Ukrainians in the process. But it's not our war, and we're not at immediate risk of having our citizenry leveled. The moment we respond in kind to an action however evil and despicable taken on Ukraine is the moment we are fully putting our collective asses on the line. This is something all allied countries will need to weigh for themselves and several (most?) are much closer than we are. All it takes is one missile getting through to make it a super bad decision to have poked your nose where it didn't have to belong, and heads will roll at home as a best case scenario. The entire country will erupt and go batshit, people you find here might even end up protesting provided they aren't already dead. Perhaps some warhawk administration would go for it, but I don't think the current one would and that's not a bad thing. I have enough shit going on than to contemplate daybreak occurring during the middle of the night.

For loss of life reduced it'd be nice if Putin were removed, someone else recently mentioned there's no guarantee he will not be replaced with someone even worse. That's an alarming prospect I hadn't considered.
 
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Muse

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They pound on your door bam bam bam bam bam like automatic gunfire, if you open the door, you're faced with an AK and told to vote to join Russia.
Oleksandra Matviichuk

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I really want as many people as possible to watch these video. Try to imagine yourself in the place of these people. Their cities were occupied by a foreign army and now people with guns come to their apartments and demand to vote for joining Russia. Fake “referendums”.
 
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kage69

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You know, this is one of those times I won't begrudge the Russians for drinking like... well, Russians. Ukrainians will go through whoever doesn't surrender like shit through a goose. I hope those mass surrenders I spoke of earlier happen touts suite. Anyone fighting against their will does not deserve to fertilize sunflowers. Take advantage of Ukraine's generosity guys. You don't want to be caught hanging out with war criminals at HIMARS o'clock.

 
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