Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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trenchfoot

Lifer
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I really do wonder just how many 'scripts bribed their way out of taking a bloodbath in Ukraine. It seems in any country run by fascist tyrants the shadow economy is where the real deals are being transacted.
 
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Michael

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You cited Russia's summer artillery bombardment campaign, before HIMARs and expenditures brought that to a crashing halt?
Notice Russia stopped gaining major ground since June. The situation has changed significantly from the darkest days of the second phase.

Yes, the territorial defenders suffered horribly when Russia finally organized and brought its full force to bear.
Ukraine has 1 million mobilized, been training and equipping since March. The Kharkiv counter offensive and Kherson offensive are prime examples of Ukraine entering the fight and no longer simply losing.

Odd that you would cherry pick.

Not cherry picking, they are still using artillery in the defense of Kherson and in the offensive they are still doing in the East. Even the defense of Lyman area there are reports of lots of Russian artillery fire.

With a grain of salt that infantry never thinks there is enough counter fire when they are being targeted, pretty much every well sourced western media report is still saying that the Russians have a big advantage in tubes.

HIMARs is helping but has not removed the advantage.

Almost all of the extra artillery attacks were in the East and that reduced when they moved troops to the South (and fire increased there) and from the early days of HIMAR when a lot of large ammo dumps were hit.

Then the counter offensive rolled up a whole area and that put the Russians on their back foot. That was not a bloodless victory, anywhere that Russians fought back there were a lot of casualties and the Lyman area now there are a lot of casualties reported in the little press there is.

Russia seriously underestimated the will and ability to resist and had to pull back to a very limited front as they do not have enough troops committed. In that front there did advance and take rest of one of the Donbas areas. That was due to concentration of forces, especially artillery.
 
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cytg111

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Not cherry picking, they are still using artillery in the defense of Kherson and in the offensive they are still doing in the East. Even the defense of Lyman area there are reports of lots of Russian artillery fire.

With a grain of salt that infantry never thinks there is enough counter fire when they are being targeted, pretty much every well sourced western media report is still saying that the Russians have a big advantage in tubes.

HIMARs is helping but has not removed the advantage.

Almost all of the extra artillery attacks were in the East and that reduced when they moved troops to the South (and fire increased there) and from the early days of HIMAR when a lot of large ammo dumps were hit.

Then the counter offensive rolled up a whole area and that put the Russians on their back foot. That was not a bloodless victory, anywhere that Russians fought back there were a lot of casualties and the Lyman area now there are a lot of casualties reported in the little press there is.

Russia seriously underestimated the will and ability to resist and had to pull back to a very limited front as they do not have enough troops committed. In that front there did advance and take rest of one of the Donbas areas. That was due to concentration of forces, especially artillery.
just source it dude
 
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kage69

Lifer
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Meanwhile, 5k trained troops arrive from the UK every 4 weeks or so? Morale is the opposite end of the spectrum than the orcs. I also doubt they're constantly drunk or packing a tetanus risk as their primary weapon.

Gonna be some winter.
 
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Brovane

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Troll much?

What is your source that the Ukrainian loses are not far behind the Russian loses? The only sources I can find show about ~10-15k for Ukrainian causalities. Just wondering if you have better sources for Ukrainian loses.
 
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Commodus

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This stinks of something more than the the usual stink of something like this

Whether or not it's a false flag, I won't at all be surprised if Russia claims this is the work of Ukraine and that it's 'proof' the Ukranian government is led by neo-Nazis. That would be pretty desperate in either scenario.
 
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Michael

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What is your source that the Ukrainian loses are not far behind the Russian loses? The only sources I can find show about ~10-15k for Ukrainian causalities. Just wondering if you have better sources for Ukrainian loses.

Russian KIA numbers are much lower than the close to 50K number the daily graphic uses according to NY Times.

A simple google search turns up links like this:


And this:
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/24/world/europe/russia-ukraine-war-toll.html

The rest is just my opinion.
 
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Amused

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Roger Wilco

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Russian KIA numbers are much lower than the close to 50K number the daily graphic uses according to NY Times.

A simple google search turns up links like this:


And this:
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/24/world/europe/russia-ukraine-war-toll.html

The rest is just my opinion.


The OSINT accounts dedicated to visually confirming dead Russian soldiers doubt their KIA are as high as 50,000. The latest estimates I’ve seen are 30-40k.

Total KIA is not the big story here though. Russia has lost a massive amount of their generals, commanders, and especially their elite soldiers.

And of course Russia has insane equipment losses with virtually no way to replace them. And of course they keep giving half of their shit to Ukraine.
 
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Michael

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Um, your first link is not helping your argument.

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It actually does depending on which row you use. Each row is sourced differently with links to the right.

The same applies for Russian casualties. There are smaller and larger numbers depending on the source.

As I have said, the rest is my opinion.
 
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