Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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K1052

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I lived in Singapore for 3 years and found the city great (still find it great). Lots of things to do and plenty of local color.

I preferred Bangkok for just going out and having fun.

Taipei is pretty good as well. Tokyo I went 10+ times and not quite as good for me.

That whole area will be increasingly under the shadow of China.

Huh we really had a good time in Tokyo and are planning to go back next year.
 
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Jaskalas

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These sorts of threats and boasts are just pathetic and embarrassing. The west is concerned about Russian aggression against its neighbors - it is not at all concerned about Russian aggression against western democracies themselves as we would annihilate those 10-15 million people very easily.

The only thing Russia has that the west is genuinely afraid of is nuclear weapons. Their conventional forces are a joke and the whole world knows it.

It is entirely possible that Ukraine could run out of manpower before Russia does. In a girding war of attrition, Russia still has opportunities. The war is on Ukrainian soil, meaning they grow weaker by the day. Every bomb, every death, all the fear and the damage done. It crushes Ukraine economically, technologically, culturally. Every day that passes, Western nation's support for Ukraine will weaken. If Putin can buy enough time before Russia's total military collapse, then Russia can regroup, rearm, and try again. In the months and years ahead, it is very likely that Russia could grind out a win. To reach the Polish border.

If we wait long enough for Republicans to side with Russia. To dismantle European support. Russia can still overwhelm a nation that it has invaded and shattered. Much of Ukraine will go without heat or electricity this winter. Due to constant bombardment of cities throughout Ukraine. That pain compounds over time. Millions of refugees fleeing leaves Ukraine weaker and more dependent upon our support. Which Putin is paying millions to subvert from within. Putin is betting on Asia's support for his war of genocide. And many of them won't care so long as they can benefit.

We are the weak link. While we can, we must strike Russian forces with all our might. They cannot be left standing the day we betray Ukraine. And you have to know that day is coming.
 
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Asterox

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I hope you don't believe everything someone writes on the internet.It is war+disinformation war(from both sides), and ask yourself what it fell to 30% of the Ukrainian electricity grid.I'm just waiting, for someone to write that the Ukrainian side shot down 120% of Russian missiles and drones.One or two example is enough, there is no need to post a ton of similar videos.


That's how it turns out, if you don't have Anti-aircraft defense in a certain area or it's very weak etc.
 
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It is entirely possible that Ukraine could run out of manpower before Russia does. In a girding war of attrition, Russia still has opportunities. The war is on Ukrainian soil, meaning they grow weaker by the day. Every bomb, every death, all the fear and the damage done. It crushes Ukraine economically, technologically, culturally. Every day that passes, Western nation's support for Ukraine will weaken. If Putin can buy enough time before Russia's total military collapse, then Russia can regroup, rearm, and try again. In the months and years ahead, it is very likely that Russia could grind out a win. To reach the Polish border.

If we wait long enough for Republicans to side with Russia. To dismantle European support. Russia can still overwhelm a nation that it has invaded and shattered. Much of Ukraine will go without heat or electricity this winter. Due to constant bombardment of cities throughout Ukraine. That pain compounds over time. Millions of refugees fleeing leaves Ukraine weaker and more dependent upon our support. Which Putin is paying millions to subvert from within. Putin is betting on Asia's support for his war of genocide. And many of them won't care so long as they can benefit.

We are the weak link. While we can, we must strike Russian forces with all our might. They cannot be left standing the day we betray Ukraine. And you have to know that day is coming.
I disagree. When you are attacked on your home soil it is drastically different then when you are sent to a different country to fight a war that someone has chosen for you. The resolve is very different.
No disrespect intended.
 

zinfamous

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I disagree. When you are attacked on your home soil it is drastically different then when you are sent to a different country to fight a war that someone has chosen for you. The resolve is very different.
No disrespect intended.

Yeah I mean, just think about how humans, and I just mean humans, continue to refuse, generation after generation and every 3-4 years or so, absolutely refuse to leave the path of a storm that will destroy them. I mean, that's just what we do. I've been there. It sounds stupid to everyone way outside of the storm, and they are right to think that.

But those that just stand there and commit to die in front of that storm, year after year and rebuild, well. ...that's right too. for whatever reason.

Use that as an extreme example, but it represents the one base stubbornness for humans. It's something we all have. The fucking orcs show up, even if you aren't fighting, you just fucking aren't going anywhere. Fuck those orcs. They will die. This is my home. Fuck off. etc

It's just that simple. We all share this capacity.
 

Jaskalas

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I disagree. When you are attacked on your home soil it is drastically different then when you are sent to a different country to fight a war that someone has chosen for you. The resolve is very different.
No disrespect intended.

I do not like where the attrition is heading.
  • Putin has already killed 70,000 Russians.
  • Russians do not care. They are slaves for a meat grinder of their master's choosing.
  • He can throw another 100,000 Russians to their deaths.
It will greatly hurt Ukraine.

Especially if it delays the Ukrainian advance until western nations give up supplying Ukraine. Or we refuse to continue to do so at a level that is required. And how long will Ukraine command and control function without electricity? How long will their trained men and equipment last before their NATO quality forces are spent? You can mobilize a million men, but at some point Ukraine will be battered and bloodied to a point where attrition degrades them down to Russia's level. Or worse, as Russia is largely unharmed and Ukrainian cities are bombed daily.

It's a lot easier to blow something up than to rebuild it. Ukraine's infrastructure is suffering. Winter is upon us, and many may freeze or flee.
I respect that many of them will want to fight. I am concerned over their ability to take this beating and I am GREATLY concerned over our willingness to be their ally for however long it takes. America has a sickness that will grow over the next few years. By 2025 we might openly declare for Putin. This war must come to a favorable and decisive conclusion long before we can betray Ukraine.
 
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Zorba

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I do not like where the attrition is heading.
  • Putin has already killed 70,000 Russians.
  • Russians do not care. They are slaves for a meat grinder of their master's choosing.
  • He can throw another 100,000 Russians to their deaths.
It will greatly hurt Ukraine.

Especially if it delays the Ukrainian advance until western nations give up supplying Ukraine. Or we refuse to continue to do so at a level that is required. And how long will Ukraine command and control function without electricity? How long will their trained men and equipment last before their NATO quality forces are spent? You can mobilize a million men, but at some point Ukraine will be battered and bloodied to a point where attrition degrades them down to Russia's level. Or worse, as Russia is largely unharmed and Ukrainian cities are bombed daily.

It's a lot easier to blow something up than to rebuild it. Ukraine's infrastructure is suffering. Winter is upon us, and many may freeze or flee.
I respect that many of them will want to fight. I am concerned over their ability to take this beating and I am GREATLY concerned over our willingness to be their ally for however long it takes. America has a sickness that will grow over the next few years. By 2025 we might openly declare for Putin. This war must come to a favorable and decisive conclusion long before we can betray Ukraine.
Can you list a war of attrition that was won by the aggressor? And further where that victory was maintained.
 
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More Silly Putty blather:

U.S., allies slam Russia for wasting U.N. Security Council time

Reuters on MSN.com|16 hours ago
The United States and allies slammed Russia on Thursday for wasting the time of the U.N. Security Council and spreading conspiracies by again raising its accusation that the United States has "military biological programs" in Ukraine.



They really need to be kicked out.

The UN must find a way.
 
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Leeea

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Can you list a war of attrition that was won by the aggressor? And further where that victory was maintained.
Winter war:
Finland: 70,000 causalities
Russia: 350,000 causalities

Finland permanently lost the industrial city of Karelia, considerable territory, and a bunch of islands to Russia. 12% of the Finnish population would be permanently taken by Russia.

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Continuation War (round 2 of the Winter war):
Finland: 225,000 causalities
Russia: 920,000 causalities

result:
city and province of Petsamo permanently forfeited to Russia
 
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K1052

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IIRC, that was Japan's mistake regarding their pilots in WW2. They sent all the best ones into battle, where of course they died and no one good was left to train their replacements.


Japanese WWII aviation staffing had a few problems:

1) Pilot training was highly gate kept so limited numbers of candidates even got in and instruction focused on strict regimented training which included intentionally washing out a lot of sufficiently skilled pilots

2) It was fucking brutal with mental and physical abuse rampant

3) Wartime experienced pilots were mostly not circulated back to training to pass on what they learned, not that the Japanese style of instruction would have supported that anyway

The US on the other hand looked at the situation and basically said "We've got an absolute shitload of planes to fly and not everybody is going to be perfect but whatever."
 
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evident

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The best thing about Singapore that I've noticed from travel shows are the food hawkers. I would just go for two days as a layover and just eat my way through all that stuff and then leave.

There's a huge slave labor economy that's propping up the business professionals in the country. They fly in philipinos, and other south asians to do everyone's dirty work. seems like a crappy society to me, not that the US is much better.
 

Zorba

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Winter war:
Finland: 70,000 causalities
Russia: 350,000 causalities

Finland permanently lost the industrial city of Karelia, considerable territory, and a bunch of islands to Russia. 12% of the Finnish population would be permanently taken by Russia.

--------------------------------

Continuation War (round 2 of the Winter war):
Finland: 225,000 causalities
Russia: 920,000 causalities

result:
city and province of Petsamo permanently forfeited to Russia
Thanks. I was thinking more total victory, but those are good examples of partial victories.

I do think in a war of attrition Russia could keep their current gains plus a little. I don't think they would end up with all of Ukraine, though.
 
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woolfe9998

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Thanks. I was thinking more total victory, but those are good examples of partial victories.

I do think in a war of attrition Russia could keep their current gains plus a little. I don't think they would end up with all of Ukraine, though.

Yes, but can Russia hold anything long term right now, particularly given the large economic consequences of this war. I don't think these sanctions are going to end any time in the foreseeable future. They can have fun fighting an undermanned insurgency war there for another 10 years.
 
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Leeea

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