Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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K1052

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I saw an estimate that Ukraine has retaken roughly half of the territory Russia took at its maximum extant in the 2022 invasion and a little less than 40% if you count the invasion of Crimea as well.

Yes and the Russians will have to withdraw from he right bank of the Dnipro when the ground firms up, which is likely to be soon.

Per defmon:


 
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Racan

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The Royal United Services Institute (RUSI) has published an interesting report

The Russian Air War and Ukrainian Requirements for Air Defence (rusi.org)

Further Western support is needed to ensure that Kyiv can counter Moscow's updated approach to the air war in Ukraine.
Executive Summary
  • Russian Aerospace Forces (VKS) conducted significantly more extensive fixed-wing strike operations during the first days of the invasion than has been previously documented, while Ukrainian ground-based air-defence (GBAD) capabilities were suppressed by initial attacks.
  • During this period, Ukrainian fighter aircraft inflicted some losses on VKS aircraft but also took serious casualties due to being totally technologically outmatched and badly outnumbered.
  • Russian fighters have remained highly effective and lethal against Ukrainian aircraft near the frontlines throughout the war, especially the Su-35S with the R-77-1 long-range missile and, in recent months, the Mig-31BM with the R-37 very long-range missile.
  • From early March, the VKS lost the ability to operate in Ukrainian-controlled airspace except at very low altitudes due to its inability to reliably suppress or destroy increasingly effective, well-dispersed and mobile Ukrainian surface-to-air missile (SAM) systems.
  • Russian GBAD has also been highly effective since March, especially the long-range S-400 SAM system supported by the 48Ya6 ‘Podlet-K1’ all-altitude long-range surveillance radar system.
  • Numerous MANPADS provided to Ukrainian troops and later mobile air-defence teams meant that low-altitude Russian fixed-wing and rotary penetrating sorties beyond the frontlines proved to be prohibitively costly during March, and ceased by April 2022.
  • Throughout the war, most Russian airstrikes have been against pre-designated targets with unguided bombs and rockets. The Su-34 fleet has regularly also fired stand-off missiles such as the Kh-29 and Kh-59 against fixed targets, and Su-30SM and Su-35S fighters have regularly fired Kh-31P and Kh-58 anti-radiation missiles to suppress and target Ukrainian SAM radars.
  • Without air superiority, Russia’s attempts at strategic air attack have been limited to expensive cruise and ballistic missile barrages at a much more limited scale. These failed to achieve strategically decisive damage during the first seven months of the invasion. However, the latest iteration is a more focused and sustainable bombardment of the Ukrainian electricity grid, blending hundreds of cheap Iranian-supplied Shahed-136 loitering munitions against substations with continued use of cruise and ballistic missiles against larger targets.
  • The West must avoid complacency about the need to urgently bolster Ukrainian air-defence capacity. It is purely thanks to its failure to destroy Ukraine’s mobile SAM systems that Russia remains unable to effectively employ the potentially heavy and efficient aerial firepower of its fixed-wing bomber and multi-role fighter fleets to bombard Ukrainian strategic targets and frontline positions from medium altitude, as it did in Syria.
  • It follows that if Ukrainian SAMs are not resupplied with ammunition, and ultimately augmented and replaced with Western equivalents over time, the VKS will regain the ability to pose a major threat.
  • In the short term, Ukraine also needs large numbers of additional man-portable air-defence systems (MANPADS) and radar-guided anti-aircraft guns, such as the Gepard, to sustain and increase its ability to intercept the Shahed-136s and protect its remaining power infrastructure and repairs to damaged facilities.
  • In the medium term, Ukraine needs cost-effective ways to defend itself against the Shahed-136. One option could be compact radar and/or laser ranging and sighting systems to allow numerous existing anti-aircraft guns to be much more accurate and effective against them.
  • The Ukrainian Air Force fighter force needs modern Western fighters and missiles to sustainably counter the VKS. Russian pilots have been cautious throughout the war, so even a small number of Western fighters could have a major deterrent effect.
  • Any Western fighter supplied in the short–medium term needs to be capable of dispersed operations using mobile maintenance equipment and small support teams, and flying from relatively rough runways, to avoid being neutralised by Russian long-range missile strikes.
 
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rommelrommel

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Well, the BGM-71 is not exactly the best ATGM these days, far preferable to fire and forget. Not everything needs a modern ATGM tho.
 
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K1052

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Well, the BGM-71 is not exactly the best ATGM these days, far preferable to fire and forget. Not everything needs a modern ATGM tho.

Yeah if you're mostly hunting BTRs and BMPs you don't need or want to expend limited Javelin stocks on those. A reasonably good complement to the Stugna-P if a bit less wieldy.
Also the US likely possesses a huge stockpile of these missiles so resupply is much less of a problem.
 
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K1052

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Didn't realize that Ukraine asked for Centurion C-RAM. I think the US has about 50 of these but unsure how willing the military is to part with them right now.


 
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K1052

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Multiple Russian reports that the Ukrainians have blasted their way through Russian strong points in Kherson with artillery and are on the advance. Local occupation governor reported killed. Russians blowing bridges trying to slow them down.
 

K1052

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If I'm the Ukrainians I pour it on now and ensure as much equipment and manpower stays on the right bank forever as possible.
 

Dave_5k

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If I'm the Ukrainians I pour it on now and ensure as much equipment and manpower stays on the right bank forever as possible.
From what I understand, most of the surviving "elite" (an admittedly relative term) Russian forces were already rotated out of Kherson prior to start of full withdrawal (along with their loot), mostly bashing on conscripts now which I'd rather they force to surrender.

But yes, definitely need to maximize losses for Russians where the Ukrainians have this clear advantage to prevent them from being used elsewhere.
 
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Dave_5k

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Russian defenses on other side of Dnieper are well advanced now in preparation for the retreat from Kherson. I'd think it would be easier for Ukraine to push south from behind these new defense lines further east, e.g. from Zaporizhzhia, rather than trying to cross river at Kherson... Unfortunately, I do expect Russia to try to completely level Kherson city with continuous artillery bombardment once they are out, per their normal mode of war crime operation, just hoping Ukraine has enough counter-battery fire now to make that an expensive and losing proposition for Russia.

 

K1052

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Russian defenses on other side of Dnieper are well advanced now in preparation for the retreat from Kherson. I'd think it would be easier for Ukraine to push south from behind these new defense lines further east, e.g. from Zaporizhzhia, rather than trying to cross river at Kherson... Unfortunately, I do expect Russia to try to completely level Kherson city with continuous artillery bombardment once they are out, per their normal mode of war crime operation, just hoping Ukraine has enough counter-battery fire now to make that an expensive and losing proposition for Russia.
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Yeah I doubt an amphibious crossing is in the Ukrainians future here. Though exposure to their tube artillery and GMLRS is going to be very unpleasant for many Russians in that area.

At least Mykolaiv will get a break now and they can repair the water supply from the Dnipro.
 

Commodus

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OK, let's negotiate.

Get all of your troops out. Release all those kidnapped. Give us X Billion dollars to rebuild the damage you've done.

Now shut up and sign here __________________

If true (and this is Putin, so it's likely insincere to some degree), the offer is laughable. The Russians have no real leverage here — Ukraine is increasingly poised to win regardless of how many troops Russia pours into the field. Not only that, but it could gain more by holding out, such as reclaiming Crimea and sowing chaos in Russia (as more Russians balk at being tossed into a meat grinder).

Ukraine isn't keen on more casualties, of course, but the short-term pain could be worthwhile if it reduces the chances of Russia trying to invade again. Especially if it destabilizes the Putin regime.
 

Dave_5k

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DarthPutin with another winner...
@DarthPutinKGB
Stop accusing Ukraine of refusing to negotiate to end war. They just negotiated our retreat from Kherson. In the only manner we understand.
 
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