Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

[Perknose]

I wonder if they could disband the security council then remake it minus Russia. There would be plenty of smaller 3rd world countries who would continue clinging to them just for the support they receive from them.

No can do. It's in the charter. Any change, even if possible, could be vetoed by . . . you guessed it . . . security council member Russia.

 

[kage69]

Are the Chinese displeased?

China wants Putin to stop threatening nuclear war over Ukraine, according to the White House

Business Insider|21 minutes ago
The threat of nuclear war went down a notch on Monday, as Xi Jinping and Joe Biden called for Russian restraint in a meeting.


.

That's got to be the happiest Xi Xinping I think I've ever seen. Wth happened in that meeting?

 

[quikah]

No can do. It's in the charter. Any change, even if possible, could be vetoed by . . . you guessed it . . . security council member Russia.

Yeah, but Russia isn't a member of the security council per the charter. The USSR is. Everyone just assumed Russia was a member without actually changing the charter.
Chapter V: The Security Council (Articles 23-32) | United Nations

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Couple of related items:

US sanctions non-Russians linked to military suppliers
By FATIMA HUSSEINan hour ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. said Monday it was imposing sanctions on a list of people and firms around the globe that it alleged are involved in supporting Russia's military as it wages war on Ukraine.




EU targets Iran’s Revolutionary Guard over Russia war drones
an hour ago
https://apnews.com/article/russia-u...ropean-union-7f1fdbf9397f546659c2803783d4aba0
BRUSSELS (AP) — The European Union on Monday imposed sanctions on the chief of Iran’s Revolutionary Guard, the corp’s Aerospace Force and a company making drones that the bloc says have been used by Russia in its war against Ukraine.



(The Turkery thing posted above turns out to have not been related)

 

[rommelrommel]

Yeah, but Russia isn't a member of the security council per the charter. The USSR is. Everyone just assumed Russia was a member without actually changing the charter.
Chapter V: The Security Council (Articles 23-32) | United Nations

Sure, and if the rest of the security council wanted to adopt that interpretation they could… but China won’t because then they’d have no allies on the security council.

 

[quikah]

Sure, and if the rest of the security council wanted to adopt that interpretation they could… but China won’t because then they’d have no allies on the security council.

Maybe someone should Office Space it and just move the Russia nameplate to the basement. Maybe put Ukraine there instead.

 

[Perknose]

Yeah, but Russia isn't a member of the security council per the charter. The USSR is. Everyone just assumed Russia was a member without actually changing the charter.
Chapter V: The Security Council (Articles 23-32) | United Nations

The Republic of China, not the People's Republic of China was also a member of the security council per the charter.

You made me go all Wiki to find out exactly how both transitions were handled within the UN.

On 25 October 1971, Albania's motion to recognize the People's Republic of China as the sole legal China was passed as General Assembly Resolution 2758.

On 24 December 1991, the Soviet Permanent Representative to the United Nations Yuli Vorontsov delivered to the Secretary-General of the United Nations a letter from the Russian President Boris Yeltsin. The letter stated that the Soviet Union had ceased to exist, and that Russia would continue the Soviet Union's membership in the United Nations and maintain the full responsibility for all the rights and obligations of the Soviet Union under the United Nations Charter. The letter was circulated among the United Nations membership without any objection, and Russia formally took over the Soviet Union's seat in the United Nations General Assembly, in the Security Council and in other organs of the United Nations.[10]

^^^ If I read this all correctly, then because the Chinese transition was opposed by the ROC, it took a 2/3rds majority of the general assembly to be put in place. BUT because the USSR to Russia transition was not in contention, a mere letter that was not objected to sufficed?

This earlier gambit by the then USSR made me chuckle:

A demand by the Soviet Union that all then fifteen Soviet Socialist Republics[a] be recognized as member states in the UN was counter-demanded by the United States that all then 48 U.S. states be similarly recognized.

 

[Perknose]

^^^ And this part has some pertinence today, methinks:

Ultimately at the Yalta Conference a compromise was made in which two Soviet Republics (Ukraine and Byelorussia) were admitted as full members of the United Nations, so, between 1945 and 1991, the Soviet Union was represented by three seats in the United Nations.

 

[IronWing]

without the ability to punish all countries equally (including the USA) the UN is flawed

The US would quit the UN before we allowed that.

 

[fskimospy]

The reason why the UN doesn't have more teeth is that none of the great powers who created it wanted it to be strong enough to constrain them. The same thing holds true today, so I don't think anything better is on the horizon.

 

[K1052]

Simple is good, even if I'm not a fan of aluminum armor. Good luck crew. I'm still hoping the Finns or Swedes will someday send a flavor of AMOS to help. Double barrel MRSI, mmm hmmmm

I think the US military is going to see a lot more stuff like this in the coming years as recruiting has gotten harder and more sophisticated/capable automatic systems become available. Reducing crew requirements while increasing range and rate of fire will go hand in hand. This applies to artillery too with the Army deciding on an autoloader for the forthcoming M1299.

 

[Perknose]

The US would quit the UN before we allowed that.

We have used our veto innumerable times over the years, most often to quash condemnation of Israel for its actions.
We also don't formally recognize the jurisdiction of the ICC, the world court.

 

[pmv]

Yeah, but Russia isn't a member of the security council per the charter. The USSR is. Everyone just assumed Russia was a member without actually changing the charter.
Chapter V: The Security Council (Articles 23-32) | United Nations

There's the legal concept of a "successor state", though. Which I recall has come up in discussions of Scottish independence. As I understand it, if Scotland became independent, the remaining rump UK would, I gather, inherit the existing UK's Security Council seat, even though it would technically be a different country. I presume the same applied with the USSR/Russia.


Seems complicated, and is contested precisely by Ukraine, apparently.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succession_of_states#Soviet_Union

 

[hal2kilo]

There's the legal concept of a "successor state", though. Which I recall has come up in discussions of Scottish independence. As I understand it, if Scotland became independent, the remaining rump UK would, I gather, inherit the existing UK's Security Council seat, even though it would technically be a different country. I presume the same applied with the USSR/Russia.


Seems complicated, and is contested precisely by Ukraine, apparently.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succession_of_states#Soviet_Union

I wonder if England would have to pay rent for use of the HMS Clyde sub base at Faslane, if Scotland became independent.

 

[Leeea]

Fantastic video:

The interaction between the reporter and the crew is interesting,
but the real value is just looking at the condition of the tank, the condition of the crew, listening to the engine, listening to the tracks, the nature of the terrain, and the hardness of the ground.

 

[RnR_au]

One more step towards rebuilding Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1592227456018448384

Things could be heating up inside Russia;

https://twitter.com/x/status/1592215776823767040

 

[nicalandia]

Frankly, the media is predicting a long war. I disagree. I believe this invasion will be very swift and by a few weeks it will be all over with Putin emerging as the victor.

Is it Over Yet?

 

[fskimospy]

Is it Over Yet?

In his defense a LOT of people thought that. I know I thought Ukraine had no chance.

 

[K1052]

In his defense a LOT of people thought that. I know I thought Ukraine had no chance.

Yes a whole lot of people....including Vladimir Putin apparently.

 

[kage69]

Kyiv says they went through about 10k Russians in two weeks. I bet it pisses Russian imperialists off to no end knowing the world see how squishy Russian troops are. Took the US 20 years to Afghanistan to approach that.

"In a Sunday Facebook update, the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine said Russia had lost some 10,000 troops in just over two weeks, with the overall figure now standing at 80,860. Since its last daily update, Ukrainian officials said another "650 persons" had been killed."

That sounds believable.

"The post added that 1,837 Russian artillery systems had been captured or destroyed along with 278 planes and 261 helicopters in the past 24 hours."

That doesn't. Looks like a total thus far, got to be a mistake or translation error somewhere.

 

[fskimospy]

Kyiv says they went through about 10k Russians in two weeks. I bet it pisses Russian imperialists off to no end knowing the world see how squishy Russian troops are. Took the US 20 years to Afghanistan to approach that.

"In a Sunday Facebook update, the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine said Russia had lost some 10,000 troops in just over two weeks, with the overall figure now standing at 80,860. Since its last daily update, Ukrainian officials said another "650 persons" had been killed."

That sounds believable.

"The post added that 1,837 Russian artillery systems had been captured or destroyed along with 278 planes and 261 helicopters in the past 24 hours."

That doesn't. Looks like a total thus far, got to be a mistake or translation error somewhere.

It’s a bad idea to take either side’s numbers at face value but I think it is clear from Russian actions (mobilization, signing up prisoners, etc.) that they have suffered heavy losses. I would assume now that the Russian army is progressively less well equipped and trained that those losses would accelerate.

 

[K1052]

I keep reading that the US military thinks there will be a winter pause in fighting and I have no idea where that thought is coming from. Ukraine knows how to fight in the cold and they've got the Russians on the defensive or on the run. They are going to press.

 

[kage69]

I think the US military is going to see a lot more stuff like this in the coming years as recruiting has gotten harder and more sophisticated/capable automatic systems become available. Reducing crew requirements while increasing range and rate of fire will go hand in hand. This applies to artillery too with the Army deciding on an autoloader for the forthcoming M1299.

Did Army give up on Archer?

 

[K1052]

Did Army give up on Archer?

I think they finished testing it recently but haven't made any decisions AFAIK. Acquisition of the systems would not be mutually exclusive since they each fill certain niches.

 

[NTMBK]

What is happening

https://twitter.com/x/status/1592267104551841792