Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

[rommelrommel]

Macron's brain making his lips move again

https://twitter.com/x/status/1599111450579988480

Sure… it’s called the democratic west hasn’t attacked you in over a century and has even less reason to do so now.

 

[Perknose]

Macron's brain making his lips move again

https://twitter.com/x/status/1599111450579988480

You don't have to like it, but this is how diplomacy, high level diplomacy, works. If you want a bloody, aggressive monster to stop being a monster, you don't call them a monster, you offer them "security guarantees" (within their pre-war borders only, of course) to give them an out to stop being a monster. They then can say to their populace that this is all they wanted in the first place, no matter how much of a bloody fucking lie it is. This is not playground fairness, this is realpolitik.

And, please, I'm not saying this will work, not at all.. I'm saying that this is how the diplomatic process begins. It's an excruciatingly convoluted and internecine process full of cynicism and lies, and it IS how opposing nations deal with each other.

And I am NOT saying Ukraine should cede one inch of territory to Russia in the end. Just remember two things about war. 1. War is hell and 2. War is diplomacy by other means. War cannot go on forever if one side cannot completely vanquish the other. Diplomacy is the end game between nations, ever and always.

 

[K1052]

Somebody really needs to compile a ranking of the wildest Ukrainian technicals from the war.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1599097301229744128

 

[Leeea]

War cannot go on forever if one side cannot completely vanquish the other.

I disagree.

Sustainable war can go on forever, and slowly ossify into something like peace.

example:
DMZ in Korea.

 

[Jaskalas]

Trouble in paradise?

Russians are angry Putin is spending billions on an unpopular war as they freeze back home, report says

Business Insider|33 minutes ago
Russians are complaining about poverty and poor infrastructure amid Putin's ongoing war in Ukraine, The Daily Beast reported.

Not caught up on the thread yet, apologies if this was already posted but I wanted to add some very informative context to the reports of "freezing back home".

Apparently mass mobilizing men, including engineers required to maintain critical infrastructure throughout Russia wasn't the brightest move.
Putin's corruption and incompetence has not just killed hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians and Russians, but Putin has also killed Russia.
What else can be gleamed from the fact that they are throwing skilled labor into the front line as meat?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1599043912861106176

 

[zinfamous]

Somebody really needs to compile a ranking of the wildest Ukrainian technicals from the war.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1599097301229744128

LoL, just look at this dude grinning. He's happier than a boner farm.

That thing is insane. it looks like one of my old, ridiculous GI Joe vehicles

 

[Ajay]

You don't have to like it, but this is how diplomacy, high level diplomacy, works. If you want a bloody, aggressive monster to stop being a monster, you don't call them a monster, you offer them "security guarantees" (within their pre-war borders only, of course) to give them an out to stop being a monster. They then can say to their populace that this is all they wanted in the first place, no matter how much of a bloody fucking lie it is. This is not playground fairness, this is realpolitik.

Plausible - but i doubt the NATO members agreed to Macron's pronouncement. Why that statement should even be public at this point is baffling.

Following the Monster analogy - one either cuts off the head of a monster or imprisons it for life. Europe tried to coddle the monster that was Hitler - worked out swell. Realpolitik eschews ethics an morality as impediments to self interest in foreign affairs. That's fine for Russia, it's their modus operandi anyway. For the west - it's a fools errand - undermining our values without restraint renders us impotent in championing our most cherished values. I'm not saying the US doesn't ever take the realpolitik option, only that it is the cause of many of our worst mistakes - many of which come back to bite us in the butt and leave smaller nations in endless turmoil. It also reminds me what a useless gas bag Kissinger could be - but that's probably just me.

 

[Perknose]

It also reminds me what a useless gas bag Kissinger could be - but that's probably just me.

More than a useless gasbag, he was a turd sandwich.

 

[RnR_au]

Was seeing one of those antique shows from England today, and a gent had an engraved shrapnel shell from WWI with him. Apparently around 1916 England was producing 35000 a day of these. Over the duration of the war, almost 1 billion of these shells were fired at the enemy.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1598975927001657344

If the Ukrainian casualties numbers can be believed, the Russians are not being very effective with their ammunition stocks.

 

[Racan]

Macron's brain making his lips move again

Scholz is also delusional

https://twitter.com/x/status/1598279892113985536

 

[cytg111]

Zelenskyy is right, suppose peace and oil and gas flows again… all that money is gonna double down, triple down, on destabilizing efforts of democratic institutions in the west.
The Russian Regime must die.

 

[Ajay]

Scholz is also delusional

Vying for the title of European leader who most exemplifies the quality of learning nothing from the past .

 

[K1052]

Was seeing one of those antique shows from England today, and a gent had an engraved shrapnel shell from WWI with him. Apparently around 1916 England was producing 35000 a day of these. Over the duration of the war, almost 1 billion of these shells were fired at the enemy.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1598975927001657344

If the Ukrainian casualties numbers can be believed, the Russians are not being very effective with their ammunition stocks.

The low accuracy of Russian artillery units is fairly well known at this point. Either due to poor training, worn equipment, or both. They just toss shells downrange even onto their own forces.

This carelessness is also why they're running short themselves.

 

[Pens1566]

Was seeing one of those antique shows from England today, and a gent had an engraved shrapnel shell from WWI with him. Apparently around 1916 England was producing 35000 a day of these. Over the duration of the war, almost 1 billion of these shells were fired at the enemy.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1598975927001657344

If the Ukrainian casualties numbers can be believed, the Russians are not being very effective with their ammunition stocks.

Efficiency was never a part of their doctrine. Spray and pray would be a good description.

 

[trenchfoot]

Macron's brain making his lips move again

https://twitter.com/x/status/1599111450579988480

Nice counter post from the thread:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1598953094712201216

There's a whole lot of other ways to areate and fortify the soil with iron than that. Damn.

 

[trenchfoot]

LoL, just look at this dude grinning. He's happier than a boner farm.

That thing is insane. it looks like one of my old, ridiculous GI Joe vehicles

Hell I'd have a shit eat'in grin on my face too if I could take a roll around the 'hood in one of those with tags all over the ride be like "Go ahead and fuck with me why don't ya puh-leeeeze?".

 

[Vic]

In less than 10 months, Russia's expectations for the war have gone from easy victory to avoiding reparations.

 

[Young Grasshopper]

Certain nations and groups in the west are pushing for peace at any cost.

If they are pandered to, then Russia will rearm and be back in a few years time when western support for Ukraine simply won't be as strong.

The bottom line is that any ceasefire will result in defacto Russian control of that part of Ukraine for ever.

The attitude of the MAGA wing of the Republican party is of most concern as support for Ukraine is the cheapest way possible to degrade and defeat a possible enemy.

France (Macron) gives fuck all support to Ukraine - and is still pushing for a cheese eating solution, though Germany is finally starting to deliver at a decent rate.

Hungary would rather Russia won so is delaying Scandinavian admittance to NATO and is delaying EU funding for Ukraine till its funds are unblocked.

When will people understand that Putin will only negotiate if he is losing badly and will delay /obstruct any process to give him time to go again?

It's all a bit depressing.

More funding and more weapons to Ukraine are the only routes to get a working peace!

Easy to say when you’re not the one who is:

1-Paying 4x the cost for the price of energy, energy which is coming from a direct competitor.

2-Facing mass de-industrialization for decades due to high energy costs, and ‘green’ tax breaks US is offering for Made in America. Now you have talks of companies leaving the EU for US due to these breaks.

3-Freezing your ass off with no heat or electricity, and a bleak long term outlook in regards to energy due to mass strikes on the UKR grid.


Think about that for a while you’ll see why these countries want to get peace talks going. The only country who benefits from prolonged war is the US.

More arms sales, more expensive LNG sales, and squashing EU competition due to tax subsidies.


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[Jaskalas]

Think about that for a while you’ll see why these countries want to get peace talks going. The only country who benefits from prolonged war is the US.

Ukrainians are fighting against Russian atrocities and Genocide. Their right to live is at stake.
Your constant efforts to undermine that make you no better than an Orc.

A fast war means faster Ukrainian victory. Means give the Ukrainians EVERYTHING in our arsenal and fire at will.
A prolonged war means holding back and risking starving the Ukrainians of much needed supplies.

 

[Indus]

Paying 4x the cost for the price of energy, energy which is coming from a direct competitor.

Who's are you talking about here?

Because the US government doesn't sell oil. The oil companies do.

 

[Indus]

Facing mass de-industrialization for decades due to high energy costs, and ‘green’ tax breaks US is offering for Made in America. Now you have talks of companies leaving the EU for US due to these breaks.

Nobody forced them to do it. They thought they could forge an economic marriage with a bear and not get bitten or clawed.

Well the Russian bear isn't a nice marriage partner. Who woulda thought?

If you're looking to blame someone, blame yourself.

 

[Young Grasshopper]

Who's are you talking about here?

Because the US government doesn't sell oil. The oil companies do.

This will help you understand.

EU to adapt state aid schemes in response to U.S. subsidy package, von der Leyen says

The EU will adapt its state aid rules to prevent an exodus of investment triggered by a new U.S. green energy subsidy package, the bloc's chief executive said on Sunday.

www.reuters.com

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[sdifox]

Macron's brain making his lips move again

https://twitter.com/x/status/1599111450579988480

Nice counter post from the thread:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1598953094712201216

Russia can have the same guarantee they gave to Ukraine when Ukraine gave up the nukes.

 

[Young Grasshopper]

Nobody forced them to do it. They thought they could forge an economic marriage with a bear and not get bitten or clawed.

Well the Russian bear isn't a nice marriage partner. Who woulda thought?

If you're looking to blame someone, blame yourself.

By economic bear, you mean the US right? Because so far that relationship has the EU to:

1-Get off cheap Russian gas and being forced to buy American gas at 4x the price. Win for US.

2-Forced them to give up their own arms/defenses for a NON-NATO country, all the while having to replenish those arms from American defense companies. Win for US.

3-Creating hostile trade policies towards EU by creating tax subsidies for companies who produce goods in the US. Win for US.

Maybe you should rethink your example of who the ‘bad bear’ is.


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[Leeea]

forced

Just how is the USA forcing the EU to do anything? at all?

By what mechanism does the USA have to compel any EU country?