Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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Indus

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This will help you understand.



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So the US wants technical innovation.. like any country doesn't.

Does that make us bad? LOL.

OMG in this doofus's head.. America is baaaaaad because it wants to innovate.
 
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Indus

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By economic bear, you mean the US right? Because so far that relationship has the EU to:

1-Get off cheap Russian gas and being forced to buy American gas at 4x the price. Win for US.

2-Forced them to give up their own arms/defenses for a NON-NATO country, all the while having to replenish those arms from American defense companies. Win for US.

3-Creating hostile trade policies towards EU by creating tax subsidies for companies who produce goods in the US. Win for US.

Maybe you should rethink your example of who the ‘bad bear’ is.


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Strawman.
 

cytg111

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By economic bear, you mean the US right? Because so far that relationship has the EU to:

1-Get off cheap Russian gas and being forced to buy American gas at 4x the price. Win for US.

2-Forced them to give up their own arms/defenses for a NON-NATO country, all the while having to replenish those arms from American defense companies. Win for US.

3-Creating hostile trade policies towards EU by creating tax subsidies for companies who produce goods in the US. Win for US.

Maybe you should rethink your example of who the ‘bad bear’ is.


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What the f……..
 

JTsyo

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Maybe true? Maybe speculation.

Public support in Russia for military campaign 'falling significantly', says UK - as it happened

The Guardian|10 hours ago
British ministry of defence says it obtained official confidential survey that shows only 25% of Russians want war to go on ...
If you think about it, what do ordinary Russians get from annexing parts of Ukraine? Any profits from resource extraction is just going to go to the top. Guess there's national pride.
 
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Ajay

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Ugh, this is de rigueur in our relationship with our democratic friends. The 27 country EU block has easily has a high enough GDP to counter our efforts in clean energy - it's just hard for them to get on the same page. They are also still too parochial in their military interests and not yet able to assemble a more comprehensive and cooperative European defense apparatus. Also note, from the very article that you've shared
The topic is one of several on the agenda of the EU-U.S. Trade and Technology Council meeting on Dec. 5.

Participants include U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken, Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo and U.S. Trade Representative Katherine Tai, along with European Commission Executive Vice Presidents Valdis Dombrovskis and Margrethe Vestager.

Huh, the US is willing and even happy to engage with our allies to sort out our differences. Constructive dialog - what a concept. I mean, this is from the VERY article you used (misused) to make your point.

More arms sales, more expensive LNG sales, and squashing EU competition due to tax subsidies.

Perhaps you have missed the fact that our European allies are discussing efforts to build up their OWN defense production capabilities? Some will be in the form of Joint Ventures with the Brits, the US and even Israel - because those counties have invested more in new technologies. Sadly the Expensive LNG purchases arose out of too much dependence on Russian methane pipelines and the premature shut down of Nuclear power plants. Many of those dependent of Russian gas should have built out some LNG terminals as a backup, but money and politics argued against that. The US tried to warn them, because we were paying attention to Putin's provocative speeches about reasserting Russian Power and rebuilding the Russian Federation (well, our military leaders and foreign security analysts were paying attention and rang the alarm bells). The world is messy, always has been, always will be. These choices and compromises are made against the backdrop of risk factors that, while known, are essential incalculable in their probability of occurrence. They also tend to be downplayed due to other political priorities having precedence in the public square at any given time. Kicking the can down the road isn't something unique to the US.
 
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fskimospy

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If you think about it, what do ordinary Russians get from annexing parts of Ukraine? Any profits from resource extraction is just going to go to the top. Guess there's national pride.
How much is resource extraction going to do for Russia anyway? They already have tons of natural resources.

Russia is poor primarily because of its kleptocratic government. More resources won’t help.
 

K1052

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How much is resource extraction going to do for Russia anyway? They already have tons of natural resources.

Russia is poor primarily because of its kleptocratic government. More resources won’t help.

The economy in the Moscow backed separatist held areas of Donbas was left to wither and die by the Russians after 2014. Many existing extractive efforts and industrial concerns collapsed AFAIK.

Besides easy theft Russia has no real economic interest in Ukraine despite their many claims to people in the occupied areas.
 

Jaskalas

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Expanding your territory IS an economic interest regardless of one's intellectual capacity to make good on it.
Saying this is about economics is perhaps a misnomer. This is about 2014 and the Soviet Union. Putin wants the USSR back and will Genocide any former Russian territory to get it. Unlike Belarus, Ukraine gave Putin the finger and said they will not die for him as slaves.
 

cytg111

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How much is resource extraction going to do for Russia anyway? They already have tons of natural resources.

Russia is poor primarily because of its kleptocratic government. More resources won’t help.
Yea but this comes as a surprise to even The Vlad himself, so.
 

gorobei

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How much is resource extraction going to do for Russia anyway? They already have tons of natural resources.

Russia is poor primarily because of its kleptocratic government. More resources won’t help.
crimea and the black sea area around it has oil reserves, ukraine pre 2014 had trouble getting western companies to go in on joint ventures to access it. with the annexation russia eliminated a potential competitor who might sell oil/gas to europe lowering the price and thus lowering russian profits.

a google search will bring up a number of articles on this.
 
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fskimospy

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crimea and the black sea area around it has oil reserves, ukraine pre 2014 had trouble getting western companies to go in on joint ventures to access it. with the annexation russia eliminated a potential competitor who might sell oil/gas to europe lowering the price and thus lowering russian profits.

a google search will bring up a number of articles on this.
I'm not saying Ukraine doesn't have natural resources, I'm saying the economic case for Russia invading Ukraine to access those resources directly makes no sense. If you have an article that argues otherwise I'm open to reading it though.
 

gorobei

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I'm not saying Ukraine doesn't have natural resources, I'm saying the economic case for Russia invading Ukraine to access those resources directly makes no sense. If you have an article that argues otherwise I'm open to reading it though.
if you read my post, it wasnt about taking UKR oil but about preventing UKR from selling their oil to europe.
 
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