Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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brycejones

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And here I was thinking it was Putin who was sending his troops into the ‘meat grinder’.

Meanwhile you have Zelensky who continues to pour bodies into a battle that Ukrainian troops realize they can’t win, all to defend an area that many people in this thread said had ‘no strategic value’.

Talk about a waste of lives huh?


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Putin still needs you on the front line. What the fuck are you doing posting here? Stop being a draft dodger and do your duty to the Motherland. After all Putin did say Russians won’t care about the cost and so far it’s been nothing.
 

Ajay

Lifer
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It does seem to show yet again how autocracies are not actually more efficient than democracies. In theory Putin should be able to make the command decision to extricate Russia from a disastrous war. He can’t though.
Just different problems. Putin's ego and the need to bring home the bacon for Russia - otherwise, why did a hundred Russian young men die for nothing ( of course, he will just blame the west). Democracies have the enormous weight of conflicting politics - and the need for some continuity from one president to another. Fortunately, Biden has guts, and was willing to suffer the political backlash to get us out of Afghanistan. One thing Trump had right, even though it was poorly planned.
 
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Jaskalas

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Russians continue to repeat the idea that ALL former USSR land belongs to them.
AKA, given enough time, Russia has every intention of ethnically cleansing every land the USSR once touched.
They are a nation hell bent on Genocide, and for the most part they are openly and proudly declaring it.
The more the world resists being killed by Russians, the more Russia pulls back the mask and reveals their true face.

Former Soviet Union Countries Are 'Our Territory,' Russian Academic Says
 
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Ajay

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I realize NATO just can't show up and deliver 600 tanks to Ukraine without Putin's head exploding. But the drip-drip-drip method needed to start already. This is so frustrating. We needed to be sending in MBTs at a rate of 40-50 a month - so that all Putin could do would be to bitch about it and saber rattle with Nuclear weapons again. I am starting to understand some of Germany's fears. The US, UK and France have nuclear weapons - and Putin isn't suicidal. Germany does not. The three nuclear nations need to go first.

Bradleys, on the part of the US - are a reasonable escalation and that's why we went this way. But with time ticking away - we need a bolder step (IMHO). The Ukrainians really need to push the Russians out of the eastern and southern oblasts before any favorable negotiation can be met. Perhaps some sort of compromise over Crimea can be worked out - even though Zelenski won't like it. The UA needs much more offensive power to do that. And as @K1052 has already posted - extended range GRLMS-ERs would be extremely helpful for pushing back Russian command posts, depots and cutting off logistical ingress.

I hope Duda just pulls the cord and sends in some Leopard 2s. That should help crack the door open a bit further.
 
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K1052

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While rockets and missiles are indeed in limited supply, and may actually be easily exhausted by any long term engagement, ammo itself... what we have provided thus far in bullets is not even a rounding error of annual domestic production. Bullets are truly endless. Granted, this report is from September. But that report indicates there are enough bullets for every human on the planet, annually.

https://www.csis.org/analysis/united-states-running-out-weapons-send-ukraine

Small Arms Ammunition
Small arms are handguns, rifles, and portable machine guns, typically up to 7.62 mm caliber. While the 26 million rounds being provided to Ukraine may sound like a lot, it is not even 1 percent of annual U.S. production (8.6 billion in 2020). The U.S. civilian economy produces vast amounts of small arms ammunition for sport, so there is no danger of running out.

Things Ukraine uses or will soon that NATO and allies are definitely not going to run out of in the near future if ever:

small arms, grenade launchers, machine guns
recoiless rifles
RPGs
small arms ammo
70mm rockets
heavy machine gun ammo (.50 cal)
auto cannon ammo (20 and 25mm)
120mm mortar rounds
grenades
mines
explosives
wire guided ATGM like TOWs, MILANs, etc.
vehicles (wheeled and tracked)

Ukraine and increasingly Russia have artillery limitations due to the availability of pieces and ammunition. The west is going to solve this before Russia does though as production ramps up across central/Eastern Europe.
 
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K1052

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I realize NATO just can't show up and deliver 600 tanks to Ukraine without Putin's head exploding. But the drip-drip-drip method needed to start already. This is so frustrating. We needed to be sending in MBTs at a rate of 40-50 a month - so that all Putin could do would be to bitch about it and saber rattle with Nuclear weapons again. I am starting to understand some of Germany's fears. The US, UK and France have nuclear weapons - and Putin isn't suicidal. Germany does not. The three nuclear nations need to go first.

Bradleys, on the part of the US - are a reasonable escalation and that's why we went this way. But with time ticking away - we need a bolder step (IMHO). The Ukrainians really need to push the Russians out of the eastern and southern oblasts before any favorable negotiation can be met. Perhaps some sort of compromise over Crimea can be worked out - even though Zelenski won't like it. The UA needs much more offensive power to do that. And as @K1052 has already posted - extended range GRLMS-ERs would be extremely helpful for pushing back Russian command posts, depots and cutting off logistical ingress.

I hope Duda just pulls the cord and sends in some Leopard 2s. That should help crack the door open a bit further.

I'm skeptical the Germans can continue holding out as pressure mounts from literally every ally to allow armor transfers. Possible but just seems like the dam is going to break soon.

 

thilanliyan

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Russians continue to repeat the idea that ALL former USSR land belongs to them.
AKA, given enough time, Russia has every intention of ethnically cleansing every land the USSR once touched.
They are a nation hell bent on Genocide, and for the most part they are openly and proudly declaring it.
The more the world resists being killed by Russians, the more Russia pulls back the mask and reveals their true face.

Former Soviet Union Countries Are 'Our Territory,' Russian Academic Says
By that logic a lot of Europe and Asia belong to the Mongols...all hail the new Khanate!
 
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Bitek

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Just different problems. Putin's ego and the need to bring home the bacon for Russia - otherwise, why did a hundred Russian young men die for nothing ( of course, he will just blame the west). Democracies have the enormous weight of conflicting politics - and the need for some continuity from one president to another. Fortunately, Biden has guts, and was willing to suffer the political backlash to get us out of Afghanistan. One thing Trump had right, even though it was poorly planned.

Yeah, I think that that is a common problem to autocracies, it's centered around a cult of personality and the mythos of the leader, which itself becomes a prison.

They get their hands tied maintaining the myth, and then get swayed into brutal repression of those that challenge.

That's what's happening in China now with covid, NK and the nukes/hostage based economy, and Putin with the Russian army.

Look what for it took for China to break from zero COVID policies. Madness. Now brutal crackdowns on the protesters to make it seem like it was the govt plan all along.

What would it take for Putin to back down, and what happens internally on Russia if he does? Can he possibly survive? Otoh, longer it goes, more absurd the claims, higher the fall for him when it finally comes. Yeesh
 
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JTsyo

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I am starting to understand some of Germany's fears. The US, UK and France have nuclear weapons - and Putin isn't suicidal. Germany does not. The three nuclear nations need to go first.
That's the point of NATO. Germany doesn't have to fall for nuclear blackmail since the nuclear armed members of NATO will stand behind them. There's no chance that Russia goes after Germany without NATO getting involved. nuclear or conventional.
 
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Young Grasshopper

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I'm skeptical the Germans can continue holding out as pressure mounts from literally every ally to allow armor transfers. Possible but just seems like the dam is going to break soon.


Sounds to me like they feel sending tanks is a lost cause and want to cut their losses. Just my opinion though.


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[DHT]Osiris

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Not sure that Ukraine, or even the European forces have enough ammo to rout such a large force.

It would be a close call if Russia does manage to field so many recruits and support them ofcause.

Which is the sticking point. If Russia does decide to mobilise so many, it will have to put the country on a full war footing.
They can't really equip or support what they currently have deployed. What are they going to equip another 500k with? sharp sticks?
 

K1052

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Sounds to me like they feel sending tanks is a lost cause and want to cut their losses. Just my opinion though.

They are sending Ukraine PzH 2000s, IRIS-T SLMs, Marders, 155mm ammunition including SMArt, Gepard SPAAGs, bridge layers, M270 variants, lots of vehicles, Patriot, MANPADS, small arms, grenades, RPG, etc so I don't think thats it. The list of things they're giving Ukraine to kill Russians is indeed already quite large.
 

Jaskalas

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One of the primary lessons in the return of total war to Europe....
Is that NATO / US are not an effective shield and cannot be relied upon to advert genocide even for their next door neighbor. Let alone someone distant and isolated.

Following this break of trust, the lesson from Ukraine is that each nation must build and develop its own nuclear weapons.
If you will not defend others, they must defend themselves. More nukes for everyone and their dog.

South Korea Now Openly Discussing Arming Itself With Nuclear Weapons
 

Indus

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Based on what we saw with the last round of recruiting, I'm not convinced they have 500k rifles to send with them. I guess they could try the 'ol death squad march of old.

These Russkies will just send wave after wave of men to eat up Ukraine's bullets. It’s the only way they know.

Sorta like the news we're hearing of Soledar where its looking grim.

Ukraine needs more artillery, lots more artillery and ammo. With more artillery, human wave tactics like this just don't work. NATO need to give them weapons that wipe out huge swaths of them in one whack.
 
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hal2kilo

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These Russkies will just send wave after wave of men to eat up Ukraine's bullets. It’s the only way they know.

Sorta like the news we're hearing of Soledar where its looking grim.

Ukraine needs more artillery, lots more artillery and ammo. With more artillery, human wave tactics like this just don't work. NATO need to give them weapons that wipe out huge swaths of them in one whack.
Yea, they are nasty cluster bombs.
 

K1052

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Ukraine needs more artillery, lots more artillery and ammo. With more artillery, human wave tactics like this just don't work. NATO need to give them weapons that wipe out huge swaths of them in one whack.

I wish somebody would hire Leonardo to stick new 52 caliber 155mm guns on older a bunch of older M109s. Cheaper and faster than waiting on brand new fancy SPGs to be made.
 
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