Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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Perknose

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A long stalemate will lead many to question the utility of their contributions to the war effort. If Putin doesn’t lose, he wins. Russian math 😐
Russian math indeed.
 
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Jaskalas

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Russian math indeed.

Russia "wins" from any gains made from this invasion.
Their leaders do not care one bit how many Russians died to achieve it. That is not even a "cost" to them.
Current line of control would be hugely advantageous for Putin and Russia in the future, in terms of materials, food supply, and control of the Black Sea. Especially if Ukraine does not have an absolute security guarantee backed by forward mobilized NATO forces. Russia will wait and return to finish the job after our support dries up. Ukraine's ability to fight at this tempo is severely time limited, sustained entirely by our funding. Russia may be hurting, but Ukraine is hurting far worse and time is not on their side.
 

Indus

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Well, his turn from building up capitalist Russia to Czarist imperialism worked in 2014, but turned out poorly in 2022. Still, there are plenty of opportunities for the west to screw this up. If we get the tank deal done - I’ll be more optimistic.

Ukrainian needs to be able to take most of their land this year in order for NATO member nation citizens fully believe they are doing the right thing and more strongly back their governments, IMHO. That means a substantial scaling up of offensive capabilities. A long stalemate will lead many to question the utility of their contributions to the war effort. If Putin doesn’t lose, he wins. Russian math 😐

Our long term realistic goal should be:

1.) Destruction of all Russian forces within Ukraine's UN-recognized borders

2.) Creation of a 200km military buffer zone inside Russia

3.) Russian reparations and giving up of all nuclear weapons.

Anything less is the west being complete chicken shit.

And seriously we have an army at our southern border that'll do anything for green cards. Go serve in Ukraine for 5 years and you'll get your green card!
 

Indus

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Good luck getting Russia to give up their nukes; we can't even get NK to give up their nuke (singular).

That's super easy to answer why..

We've never considered it a priority to disarm North Korea.. and keep playing word games and make profits off selling weapons to South Korea.

But there's an actual objective here to make sure Russia is never a threat to the United States and its national interests again (food security being the biggest).
 

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hal2kilo

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Even if Congress fails to fund weapons purchases, what's to stop Biden from just giving weapons already in the US stockpiles to the Ukraine?
When just in time delivery is the requirement for modern business management. You will probably have to wait for production to be ramped up. Yes, even in the military. No more of this just keeping stuff around in warehouses just because we might need a part 40 years later than the life of the system was predicted. Oh, do I sound bitter?
 

Young Grasshopper

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Even if Congress fails to fund weapons purchases, what's to stop Biden from just giving weapons already in the US stockpiles to the Ukraine?

It is not just Congress that can kill the delivery of weapons:


You can pass all of the funding you want, but if the defense industry is not able to ramp up production it’s a moot point.

Here’s a quick video discussing the issue:


If China does decide to invade Taiwan, when they see articles like this you can bet they’re going to wait until US supplies run dry before making their move.


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itsmydamnation

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It is not just Congress that can kill the delivery of weapons:


You can pass all of the funding you want, but if the defense industry is not able to ramp up production it’s a moot point.

Here’s a quick video discussing the issue:


If China does decide to invade Taiwan, when they see articles like this you can bet they’re going to wait until US supplies run dry before making their move.


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no offence , but you are so fucking dumb........

like the US is supplying enough weapons to stymie the no 2. military in the world without any shift in the economy to a war footing.

you need to educate yourself on industrial scale war, start here https://www.youtube.com/@PerunAU/videos
 

JTsyo

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Our long term realistic goal should be:

1.) Destruction of all Russian forces within Ukraine's UN-recognized borders

2.) Creation of a 200km military buffer zone inside Russia

3.) Russian reparations and giving up of all nuclear weapons.

Anything less is the west being complete chicken shit.

And seriously we have an army at our southern border that'll do anything for green cards. Go serve in Ukraine for 5 years and you'll get your green card!
Only the first point is realistic. You can kick Russia out of Ukraine but you can't risk entering Russia and there's no way Russia gives up their nukes after proving their army is incompetent.
 
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cytg111

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It is not just Congress that can kill the delivery of weapons:


You can pass all of the funding you want, but if the defense industry is not able to ramp up production it’s a moot point.

Here’s a quick video discussing the issue:


If China does decide to invade Taiwan, when they see articles like this you can bet they’re going to wait until US supplies run dry before making their move.


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This is like second grade math. For the weapons you burn in Ukraine grinding down Russia, you wont need yourself to check Russia elsewhere... Cause Russia has been grinded to a pulp - AND you are making a killing(!) return investment.
Not only do you reduce the equation but you solve it to only one unknown variable: China.
Arming Ukraine is like getting in on Apple stock in the 80'ies
 

Young Grasshopper

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This is like second grade math. For the weapons you burn in Ukraine grinding down Russia, you wont need yourself to check Russia elsewhere... Cause Russia has been grinded to a pulp - AND you are making a killing(!) return investment.
Not only do you reduce the equation but you solve it to only one unknown variable: China.
Arming Ukraine is like getting in on Apple stock in the 80'ies

I think you have it backwards. For the weapons you send to Ukraine, you have less weaponry to check China. Secondly, what other country is Russia at war with or thinking about invading besides Ukraine where they would need to be ‘checked’? My guess is they’re a little preoccupied with Ukraine.


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cytg111

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I think you have it backwards. For the weapons you send to Ukraine, you have less weaponry to check China. Secondly, what other country is Russia at war with or thinking about invading besides Ukraine where they would need to be ‘checked’? My guess is they’re a little preoccupied with Ukraine.


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Oh man!
 

senseamp

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US is just not a serious country anymore on the world stage. Fighting over nothing-burger papers scandal and keeping helping the Ukraine on the back burner. We need to get Defense Production Act invoked and start pumping out weapons at the levels the Ukraine needs to win. They are fighting a war that NATO should be fighting, at least give them weapons.
 

Jaskalas

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US is just not a serious country anymore on the world stage. Fighting over nothing-burger papers scandal and keeping helping the Ukraine on the back burner. We need to get Defense Production Act invoked and start pumping out weapons at the levels the Ukraine needs to win. They are fighting a war that NATO should be fighting, at least give them weapons.

Exactly.
 

rommelrommel

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It is not just Congress that can kill the delivery of weapons:


You can pass all of the funding you want, but if the defense industry is not able to ramp up production it’s a moot point.

Here’s a quick video discussing the issue:


If China does decide to invade Taiwan, when they see articles like this you can bet they’re going to wait until US supplies run dry before making their move.


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Yeah, Ukraine is getting so many LRASM and Tomahawks, really going to compromise the naval stocks.
 
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