China wouldn't leave any survivors in Taiwan to incur enmity from, they'd simply kill them all (and I do mean all) and replace the entire population with Chinese citizens.
China wouldn't leave any survivors in Taiwan to incur enmity from, they'd simply kill them all (and I do mean all) and replace the entire population with Chinese citizens.I don't foresee China physically invading Taiwan with troops at all. They may rain missles down, and they also may not, not wishing to inherit a destroyed landscape or incur the eternal enmity of the survivors on Taiwan.
What they will do, when they deem the time is right, is a naval blockade, covered by land and air-based missiles. That's when the extreme (imho) vulnerability of our carriers will come into play.
That's actually exactly the story I was thinking of when I thought of the sub threat, although a few things pop out to me there:
1) Given my experience on the ship I would not be surprised if those anti-sub defenses they were using were either being done in a half-assed or quarter-assed way or not at all.
2) While diesels are quieter underwater than nuclear subs they also have sustainability and range issues that could make them sitting ducks for a force with the level of information awareness the US has.
I think subs are a big threat, maybe the biggest threat to our carriers, but I do expect the US Navy to perform much better than that in a real war scenario.
^^^ This (as well.)While I suspect their missiles may not perform as well as advertised, mass waves of various anti-ship missiles will be a serious threat too.
I don't foresee China physically invading Taiwan with troops at all. They may rain missles down, and they also may not, not wishing to inherit a destroyed landscape or incur the eternal enmity of the survivors on Taiwan.
What they will do, when they deem the time is right, is a naval blockade, covered by land and air-based missiles. That's when the extreme (imho) vulnerability of our carriers will come into play.
BTW our resident Russkie should really not take Russkie propaganda at face value..
because if its so real are we all at the point of eating squirrels at restaurants??
the rumour is that the primary value of Taiwan are the chip fabs; and this sort of attack would destroy them. Having said that china is a whole lot worse than Russia in that it is a country that ignores international law and treaty and is not totally incompetent.
Not really digging China cozying up with Russia and the damning rhetoric they've been pointing squarely at the USA I've been reading about lately. It seems to be gradually increasing. It feels we're months away from China blatantly supplying Russia whatever they want. I don't think the USA genuinely has the stomach nor the appetite to start ratcheting sanctions onto China in a meaningful way to deter it. I'm all for USA-made but if we start banning stuff made by the Chinese (or they start withholding) we're looking at an economic shit-show at home.
Hopefully cooler heads prevail.
For sure. Hopefully Xi doesn't feel the need to appear 'strong,' domestically.The thing is, it'd also massively harm China economically.
If they attacked one of our ships, it'd be a declaration of war on us. We'd retaliate. There is no way they can blockade Taiwan without directly attacking the US and getting a full response in return.We had another topic on the threat China poses to Taiwan. It's completely backwards from Ukraine.
Land, bordered by the entirety of Europe to back it up.
VS
Ocean, bordered by China alone. No neighbors to back it up.
To do it intelligently, China would simply move into the ocean surrounding Taiwan, deploy some sort of underwater mine / drone by the THOUSANDS and no US ship will survive entering those waters. No ship at all. They might produce more of those drones than we have missiles. Taiwan wouldn't last the years it would take to even attempt to play that game. We would lose before it even began.
That is assuming China is smart enough to do it that way. Alternatively, they could be absolute morons, just send missiles and human waves like Russia....
Then maybe it would play out like our war games and we would suffer a painful "win". But does it feel like winning if no merchant ship will enter the war zone? I feel like an Island does not survive without trade. Best case scenario, we still lose. How do we not?
Most of mainland Asia could be united to militarily take on the United States and claim their portion of the globe. All they have to do is establish a line we cannot cross. Physically.
And while it might sound crazy to imagine China going on the attack. That's what some people thought of Russia not so long ago. Do not underestimate how crazy and ambitious humans can be. Do not pretend we are rational actors. If they believe they can do it, they WILL try.
We had another topic on the threat China poses to Taiwan. It's completely backwards from Ukraine.
Land, bordered by the entirety of Europe to back it up.
VS
Ocean, bordered by China alone. No neighbors to back it up.
To do it intelligently, China would simply move into the ocean surrounding Taiwan, deploy some sort of underwater mine / drone by the THOUSANDS and no US ship will survive entering those waters. No ship at all. They might produce more of those drones than we have missiles. Taiwan wouldn't last the years it would take to even attempt to play that game. We would lose before it even began.
That is assuming China is smart enough to do it that way. Alternatively, they could be absolute morons, just send missiles and human waves like Russia....
Then maybe it would play out like our war games and we would suffer a painful "win". But does it feel like winning if no merchant ship will enter the war zone? I feel like an Island does not survive without trade. Best case scenario, we still lose. How do we not?
Most of mainland Asia could be united to militarily take on the United States and claim their portion of the globe. All they have to do is establish a line we cannot cross. Physically.
And while it might sound crazy to imagine China going on the attack. That's what some people thought of Russia not so long ago. Do not underestimate how crazy and ambitious humans can be. Do not pretend we are rational actors. If they believe they can do it, they WILL try.
Quick question: Who is the lead role in this direct to video blockbuster? Sounds like it's got Steven Seagal written all over it.
Not really digging China cozying up with Russia and the damning rhetoric they've been pointing squarely at the USA I've been reading about lately. It seems to be gradually increasing. It feels we're months away from China blatantly supplying Russia whatever they want. I don't think the USA genuinely has the stomach nor the appetite to start ratcheting sanctions onto China in a meaningful way to deter it. I'm all for USA-made but if we start banning stuff made by the Chinese (or they start withholding) we're looking at an economic shit-show at home.
Hopefully cooler heads prevail.
Fox News Edits Out Trump Saying He Might’ve Let Russia ‘Take Over’ Parts of Ukraine
While Trump told Hannity on the radio he could’ve prevented war by negotiating a deal with Russia, that portion was curiously edited out when aired on Fox News.www.thedailybeast.com
Anyone really surprised??
Basically any city or village within artillery range of front lines is shelled regularly by Russia, so that this routine random bombing of civilians by Russia is no longer even news. (Ukraine responding with even a single UAV dropped munition on military assets within Russian borders is still news, just for comparison...) Kherson in particular has been regularly hammered by Russian artillery in last few months.Speaking of hundreds of missiles and drones dropping in from Russia as often as the sun rises and sets, has it become such old news that it's not worth mentioning anymore or has Putin played his hand at raining death and destruction on Ukraine's women and children once too often? Not heard much about this as of late.