Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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K1052

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While this is good, I don't fully trust Ergodan.

He's very two faced!

It's more reliable to trust interests rather than people in these situations. Erdogan does what's best for Erdogan and that can usually be counted on.

Turkey is a major beneficiary of the grain deal. It is in their interest that it be renewed and Putin be reminded that he's got few people in this corner of the world still willing to do business.
 

Indus

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This is also interesting:

Russians sent to fight on the front lines are mutinying, fighting amongst themselves, getting locked in basements and lost in the chaos of a faltering offensive, a flurry of videos and messages from inside Vladimir Putin’s army show.

Recently mobilised soldiers are refusing orders to face “certain death” by joining “human wave” attacks that they say are destroying entire units at a time.


 

you2

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In a alternative universe.

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Yea - it really is amazing at russia incompency. I think 99% of the issue is that our weapons actually work as advertised; and their weapons well what can we say. You add in the total lack of training - i mean it isn't that there were a few unexpected surprise or what have you - but whole scale incompetent from the top to the bottom. Then you add in the fact that it is a war that no one but Putin supports and you have a situation where the current rate of Russian deaths is near 300K soldiers a year (imagine if Ukraine was targeting civilians like Russia). I mean our weapons haven't really been tested by a first rate army but they certainly turned Russian stuff to butter in iraq (of course one could argue iraq equipment was antiquated which it was) but the sheer amount of Russian equipment Ukraine has captured - it would be like Mexico (hey you didn't include this in your alternative universe) captured 200 fully functional Abrams and another 50 HRMMS complete with 1 million rounds of ammo. It boggles the mind how poorly Russia and Russian equipment has performed. Honestly if i were China i would just waltz in and annex all of Russia.
 
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cytg111

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Are the common folk shitheads back home ever gonna wake up and rise up? edging in on 1k dead Yuris pr day. goddamnit.
 

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I hate to say it, but inhumane problems might require inhumane solutions.

If Russia doesn't want their troops getting ground to burger, then get the fuck out of Ukraine. I have to imagine there's a relationship between these munitions stories and the others about Russian troops wanting to GTFO of there.

If you saw a semi trailer of body bags daily of your peers I doubt your morale is all that good.
 
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zinfamous

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They said the same thing exactly one year ago bud. Russia running low on ‘whatever munition is popular at the moment’.


They were supposed to run out of artillery shells too:



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you are no one's bud, "champ."
 
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zinfamous

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Baltic nations really have gone (and continue to go) above and beyond for the last year.


LoL! The best part of this, is that 90% of these cars seized from drunken drivers are actually going to be coming from dipshit Russian nationalists living in Latvia, only ever refusing to move back to Russia their entire lives, certainly claiming that they are "victims of bigotry!" also for their entire lives.

Well, at least their vehicles are finding their way out of Latvia. So that's good.
 
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rommelrommel

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I hate to say it, but inhumane problems might require inhumane solutions.

If Russia doesn't want their troops getting ground to burger, then get the fuck out of Ukraine. I have to imagine there's a relationship between these munitions stories and the others about Russian troops wanting to GTFO of there.

If you saw a semi trailer of body bags daily of your peers I doubt your morale is all that good.

The inhumane part is after the war with lack of cleanup, but if they were used selectively and recorded the cleanup could be pretty effective.
 
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K1052

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I know it's been mentioned, but the USA has massive stocks of DPICM 155mm.

Yeah and Ukraine has been asking for a while. I think the US would be more likely to ok export from a country that's purchased them from us rather than directly supply. Greece for example has vast stocks.

These should be supplied in decent numbers IMO and the decision if/when/where to use them left to the Ukrainians. DPICM can't be any worse than the huge amount of Soviet era bomblets the Russians are using on Ukraine that have far higher dud rates.
 
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