Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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fskimospy

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Fuck buffer zones. If this is the actual deal, then this is where we need to build an actual wall.
You cant keep an entire country fucking hostage cause "buffer zone" ... its batshit insane.
Apparently the nations around Russia are only sovereign insofar as they do what Russia wants. If they don’t they have no one to blame but themselves if Russia attacks them.
 
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cytg111

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You nailed the easiest ad hominem when someone questions government foreign policy rationale. Congrats!

Congratulations, you just equalized a mafia state dictator ship with a running democracy.. its about meh the same.
I mean you can be of that opinion, I am not, I look towards Russia as something that needs to liberated from its oppressive heads of state and power given back to the people.
 

fskimospy

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Congratulations, you just equalized a mafia state dictator ship with a running democracy.. its about meh the same.
I mean you can be of that opinion, I am not, I look towards Russia as something that needs to liberated from its oppressive heads of state and power given back to the people.
In the past senseamp would talk about how Russia was a gangster state but now if you assume their government is lying you’re prejudiced against them.

I really do wonder if he got hacked. It would explain a lot.
 

cytg111

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Apparently the nations around Russia are only sovereign insofar as they do what Russia wants. If they don’t they have no one to blame but themselves if Russia attacks them.

Yea, thats some proper logic right there.
I mean its pretty simple right?
Putin dont want a border with a free open democracy.
Why? Cause people will leave. Its a threat to his existence. So when the crime boss acts up, the western collective democratic institution just caves? And thus validates his existence?
All Putin has to do is to show the people, and us, that his model is better. Win on policy, quality of life, prosperity ... reverse the flux, people will migrate from democratic countries in the west towards Russia for increased fortunes.
An open free market of ideas and virtual borders.

But the fucker cant compete, so he warmongers.

And that means it sucks to be Ukraine I guess, cause the west scared that puti mad.
Eff that shit.
 

senseamp

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Anyways, instead of falling for US government and media hysteria about the Ukraine, take advantage of it and go visit the country. Flights are <$700 round trip, and I am sure hotels are desperate too. You are never going to find them under $1000 once the lies stop. Kiev is a beautiful European capital city, Lviv and Odessa are very nice too. You might not want to come back if you are single. I am sure the Ukraine will appreciate your tourist dollars instead of your "support" here.
 

fskimospy

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Anyways, instead of falling for US government and media hysteria about the Ukraine, take advantage of it and go visit the country. Flights are <$700 round trip, and I am sure hotels are desperate too. You are never going to find them under $1000 once the lies stop. Kiev is a beautiful European capital city, Lviv and Odessa are very nice too. You might not want to come back if you are single. I am sure the Ukraine will appreciate your tourist dollars instead of your "support" here.
Ooh, now he’s calling it ‘the’ Ukraine, which is of course another hallmark of Russian propaganda.
 

Xcobra

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I mean, I love it when Putin amasses 100k soldiers near my backyard. 🙄
 

hal2kilo

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Anyways, instead of falling for US government and media hysteria about the Ukraine, take advantage of it and go visit the country. Flights are <$700 round trip, and I am sure hotels are desperate too. You are never going to find them under $1000 once the lies stop. Kiev is a beautiful European capital city, Lviv and Odessa are very nice too. You might not want to come back if you are single. I am sure the Ukraine will appreciate your tourist dollars instead of your "support" here.
So who's media do you trust? No more real truths left in the world for you. So sad.
 

senseamp

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So who's media do you trust? No more real truths left in the world for you. So sad.
I trust what I observe. Some media fact reporting, but certainly not media or government interpretation of those facts. And I am serious, go visit the Ukraine, you won't regret it. There won't be a war, but the pricing is as if there will be.
 
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fskimospy

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@senseamp you forgot to respond to this
He’s just flipping back and forth between a realpolitik argument that because Russia has the power to do something that’s legitimate and then whining about how the west was mean and scary to Russia by expanding NATO so their response is justified.

I don’t think he understands that you have to pick one. If the argument is power based then justifications are irrelevant.
 
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senseamp

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Another "Putin puppet" weighs in:
Must have had his password stolen amirite.
While Russia has about 100,000 troops on Ukraine's borders, Mr Zelensky said he did not see a greater threat now than during a similar massing of troops last spring. "There are signals even from respected leaders of states, they just say that tomorrow there will be war. This is panic - how much does it cost for our state?" he told the press conference in Kyiv. Mr Zelensky also criticised the UK, US and Australian withdrawal of diplomats' families from Ukraine, saying it had been a mistake.
He got hacked too?
Speaking at a news conference for foreign media, Zelenskiy said: "There are no tanks in the streets. But media give the impression, if one is not here, that we have a war, that we have army in the streets... That's not the case. We don't need this panic." Register now for FREE unlimited access to Reuters.com "I don't consider the situation now more tense than before," he said, but added: "I am not saying an escalation is not possible." He said the White House was making a "mistake" in highlighting excessively the risk of a large-scale war, and that this was the message he gave U.S. President Joe Biden in their phone call on Thursday. While he said Russia was trying to intimidate and destabilise Ukraine, Kyiv was propping up its hryvnia currency with FX reserves, as well as seeking military, political and economic support from the West. He said the country needed 4-5 billion dollars to stabilise its economy, including through foreign investments, welcoming a 1.2 billion euros aid package from the European Union. "NO TITANIC" Zelenskiy said Russia should prove that it was not seeking a war with Ukraine by agreeing to an exchange of prisoners. But he said the most immediate risk for his country was chaos within, from cyber attacks to an economic crisis. U.S. and British moves to recall diplomats were a mistake and an exaggeration, he said: "We are no Titanic. Ukraine is moving ahead."

Nailed it 🤣
No war in the Ukraine, stop falling for US government/media lies, relax and go visit Kiev and Lvov. 😁🇺🇦
They could use the tourism dollars now that they spent billions to prop up economy that the US scare mongering is trashing.
 
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sportage

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Joe Biden is threatening Putty where it hurts most, right in Putty's old pocket book.
Seems that those dictators don't care about much, but they do care about their Swiss bank accounts.
Dictators don't care who they kill, even their own people. Dictators don't care who goes hungry or who goes homeless or who they ravage, dictators only care about money. Looting money. Stealing money. Stealing their peoples money because to a dictator, you're money is my money.
Sounds like a Trump?
So yeah, for Biden to go after Putty's bank account is pure genius.

And get this....
Trumpies are now mad because Joe Biden dare go after bank accounts, anyones bank account, including that of a dictator. And we know what THAT means? Trumpies now consider Vladimir Putty as one of them. Yes, Vladimir Putty just another poor American being picked on by the big bad Joe Biden democrats. Poor Putty....
Time for a Go-Fund-Me?
 
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amenx

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I wonder if the Russians are in consultations with the Chinese. The latter want Taiwan. If they coordinate their invasions, that would really mess up whatever strategies the U.S. could respond with.
 

pcgeek11

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I just saw this tidbit online. I'm wondering at the validity or if it is just speculation.


WASHINGTON, Jan 28 (Reuters) - Russia's military buildup near Ukraine has expanded to include supplies of blood along with other medical materials that would allow it to treat casualties, in yet another key indicator of Moscow's military readiness, three U.S. officials tell Reuters.
 

K1052

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I wonder if the Russians are in consultations with the Chinese. The latter want Taiwan. If they coordinate their invasions, that would really mess up whatever strategies the U.S. could respond with.

China's got the Olympics in February, obsessively trying to stay at COVID zero, and a raft of economic issues to worry about right now. None of that is really compatible with a military adventure at the moment.
 
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cytg111

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Media definition of "Ukraine border" is anywhere in western Russia. Smolensk is not "Ukraine border."
Wtf you know about military logistics?

You understand they are already present IN Ukraine right? Not talking about just Crimea either.

You know, why dont you point out who the war hawks in this administration is, where is the Boltons on the cabinet, who is the peeps wetting themselves by the thought of getting it on with Russia in Ukraine right now - that be whispering in Bidens ear?
 
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boxleitnerb

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I'm quite undecided on this.
On the one hand there is NATO/US who expand ever closer to Russia. Then the "revolution" (read an article that it rather was a US-backed coup) in Ukraine. One can imagine Russia feels cornered. Remember the Cuba crisis? Why did the US flip out back then with the missiles in their back yard? Today, we're talking that every country should be allowed to chose their alliances (with US/NATO missiles/weapons possible in Ukraine if they join NATO) - kind of double standards.

On the other hand I also believe Putin seeks to restore at least some part of the UDSSR and sees this as a good opportunity. If he attacks, the blood is on him. Forcibly changing borders or governments should never be allowed, even if he can point to the West and say "but they also did it...like dozens of times".

I just wish that cooler heads prevailed and people would not always think in good vs evil concepts. I'm living in Central Europe and I have no desire for a war in our neighborhood.
 
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sportage

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It's funny though.... HAHAHA
Russia blaming the US for the war hysteria.
Hey Putty, we're are not the ones with troops along the Border.
 
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