Do you know what the word ‘if’ means?
I am putting it down now - if Russia expands its already existing invasion of Ukraine you will claim the west made them do it.
Do you know what the word ‘if’ means?Russia is not going to invade the Ukraine, it's been explained to you repeatedly. No one is invading a hostile country of 40M and 1M strong military with 130K troops. Even the Ukraine president is saying so. US is now backtracking on the "imminent" language, and coming up with some conspiracy theory about staged films and whatever farce they are trying to peddle now. You are a slow learner, it appears.
That's cute
Now you are moving the goal posts from NATO being a defensive alliance to justifying its offensive actions.
I didn't ignore your weak Germany 1941 argument, stop lying:I mean I already pointed out why your arguments are incoherent and would similarly justify the invasion of Russia by Germany in 1941 but you ignored them, presumably because you have no answer.
More importantly though, if someone isn’t arguing in good faith pretending they are is pointless and if anything plays into their hands. Better to just point it out.
You are a stooge for ridiculous White House propaganda hysteria that even the president of the Ukraine is telling Biden to tone down and they are now backtracking from. Which I pointed out, correctly.Trying to cheer myself up maybe, as your transition to Kremlin stooge is both sad and unfortunate.
They didn't stop wide scale ethnic cleansing. They accomplished their political goals and left. Kosovo Serbs were killed/expelled and NATO was not particularly concerned. Same with Lybia, their involvement and concern for civilian casualties ended as soon as the political goal of regime change was accomplished.Not really, I just understand that when it comes to that whole 'crimes against humanity via the wholesale slaughter of civilians,' Europeans have some experience in that and didn't want it making a come back. Russia wasn't going to stop it. Apart from a token peace keeping presence that was called for in certain areas, did you see NATO set up any new puppet governments? Any new borders drawn whilst flipping a bird to the international community?
Stopping wide scale ethnic cleansing and then leaving, yeah fuck NATO. Quite the offensive conquest there.
Oh, I missed that post, although your answer was essentially to say that I was right that you view the two equivalently.I didn't ignore your weak Germany 1941 argument, stop lying:
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You were quick to repeatedly claim I was a liar arguing in bad faith, based your own falsehood that you now say is result of omission, not commission. But instead of apologizing, you are parading around as "honest person." Give me a break.Oh, I missed that post, although your answer was essentially to say that I was right that you view the two equivalently.
See? That’s what an honest person does, I didn’t make up something about grammar like you did.
You are a stooge for ridiculous White House propaganda hysteria that even the president of the Ukraine is telling Biden to tone down and they are now backtracking from. Which I pointed out, correctly.
They didn't stop wide scale ethnic cleansing. They accomplished their political goals and left. Kosovo Serbs were killed/expelled and NATO was not particularly concerned. Same with Lybia, their involvement and concern for civilian casualties ended as soon as the political goal of regime change was accomplished.
Arguing NATO is an exclusively defensive alliance is just silly talk.
I didn’t see that post and said as much. That’s what honest people do.You were quick to repeatedly claim I was a liar arguing in bad faith, based your own falsehood that you now say is result of omission, not commission. But instead of apologizing, you are parading around as "honest person." Give me a break.
NATO is a defensive alliance. The US and its allies are not in Ukraine. And we wouldn't invade Canada if a foreign power was defensively placing troops adjacent to our southern border.
Russia has already invaded it's neighbors - Georgia and Ukraine - so other neighbors are rightfully scared of Russia and their habit of regional imperialism, this NATO allies seek military assurances and non-allied countries seek weapons to fight off invaders. Not sure why you want to gloss over those very important details and blame both sides.
Putin taking chunks of Ukraine certainly emulates someone from 1938.I mean emulating European response to Hitler in 1938. Simmer down now. We already know you got nothing but ad hominems.
Define “attack missiles” please. What specific weapon systems are you referring to.NATO is no defensive alliance. NATO has attack missiles in many European NATO countries. And it (and/or the US) has a history of attacking other countries as well (Serbia, Lybia, Syria) without UNO mandate. Or regime change...you name it. Please let's not make this completely one-sided. That would be just naive.
Define “attack missiles” please. What specific weapon systems are you referring to.
NATO is no defensive alliance. NATO has attack missiles in many European NATO countries. And it (and/or the US) has a history of attacking other countries as well (Serbia, Lybia, Syria) without UNO mandate. Or regime change...you name it. Please let's not make this completely one-sided. That would be just naive.
Ukraine appreciates you making them a buffer zone.This is just pure ignorance. Russia and China fought a small war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Soviet_border_conflict
Back when adults were in charge of US foreign policy, they worked hard to divide USSR and China, for obvious reasons. It's not a given that two autocratic regimes are automatically allies, usually the opposite.
NATO is already emulating [European response to] Hitler in 1938, no NATO troops in the Ukraine. Because it's obvious no one wants to risk a war between NATO and Russia, so the Ukraine is the buffer zone. Russia is obviously not going to withdraw troops from its own western territory and create a buffer zone there to make NATO comfortable coming into the Ukraine. The Ukraine is the buffer zone. NATO is lying to the Ukraine telling them the door is open. Just like EU lied to them in 2013.
Who's making themselves look intellectually weak?I edited for you since you can't keep track. Everyone who questioned Iraq BS was called terrorist sympathizer too. Don't care, keep the ad hominems coming, just making yourself look intellectually weak.
Ukraine appreciates you making them a buffer zone.
Look at the mirror and tell us.Who's making themselves look intellectually weak?
And Nixon went to China to normalize relations and take full advantage of the rival division. That's US strategic thinking. What we have now is a tactical farce.Well I don't appreciate his historical ignorance or revisionism. Russia's views on it's communist primacy is what led to friction with China, not American foreign policy. Mao had a very different idea on how China would be run without Russian direction and supervision, much to Khrushchev's fury. Later, Nixon took advantage of that rift.
So another false narrative from the Putin fanclub dies an ignoble death. *womp womp*
No worries, I'm sure they'll find more.
History did, it's even in their name. But I am flattered.Ukraine appreciates you making them a buffer zone.
You keep calling me a liar but want the presumption of being an honest person. Nope!I didn’t see that post and said as much. That’s what honest people do.
You are not an honest person though, which is why you lied repeatedly about your motivation for calling Ukraine by the wrong name. You know you were lying and I know you were lying.
And Nixon went to China to normalize relations and take full advantage of the rival division. That's US strategic thinking. What we have now is a tactical farce.
Yes, I get your theory that Russia is paying me (or maybe paid people to hack my account) in order to post multiple posts over multiple days on obscure tech forum to convince you and a couple of other people dead set in their beliefs that imminent invasion of the Ukraine is just a western hysteria. That's your intellectual level. Own it. Work on it. Nothing wrong with leveling up to get better. But if you are going to take shortcuts like asinine ad hominems, it won't help, I am afraid.So, you're wrong, again, and this is how you respond to being shown to be wrong? Not being able to distinguish between cause and effect undermines your 'argument,' strange you don't seem to care. Nixon went becasue he needed something, anything, at the time. Context is troubling for you it seems, you want to give Nixon credit for doing the only thing a political pariah could do at the time, and it's shrewd tactics? Haha.
This is why everyone now sees you as a dishonest tool, a Putin fluffer.
Sounds like you're one of those people who prefer their CiC to repeat Kremlin talking points, extort allies, rage tweet our foreign policy and generally make a fool of himself while infuriating and insulting allies. I don't think anyone gives a shit what you consider a farce, the opinions of a shill so committed to being obtuse don't really count for much.
I do hope you're getting paid to embarrass yourself this much though. Having nothing to show for it, yikes.
Versus defense missiles? Care to explain what an "attack missile" is? I'm pretty sure almost all missiles are going to be for attacking purposes. Maybe if Russia didn't have a history of invading its neighbors, NATO countries might not feel such a strong need to take defensive postures with forward-placed weaponry to repel Russian aggression.NATO is no defensive alliance. NATO has attack missiles in many European NATO countries.
Poor Serbia, Syria, and Libya - other countries started to get in the way of their slaughtering of civilians.And it (and/or the US) has a history of attacking other countries as well (Serbia, Lybia, Syria) without UNO mandate. Or regime change...you name it.
Don't whataboutism this. This topic isn't about some false moral balance where the US and the west can't call out bad behavior because they may have wronged some people in the past. This thread is about Russia, it's history of aggression and invasion of neighbors, and its incipient expansion of the invasion and occupation of Ukrainian territory.Please let's not make this completely one-sided. That would be just naive.