Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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kage69

Lifer
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Perhaps more than you realize. I cannot find the source of it at this time but I have a memory of reading about the titanic lift that Russia made at the ass-end of WW2, moving millions of troops, millions of tons of material, assets, vehicles, supplies, etc across 10,000KM of Russian territory to engage Japan with its full force, and it did so in like a week. Stalin's Russia had a breathtaking ability to muster, it birthed the cold war just as much the nukes did imho.

If this were Stalin's Russia, they would have invaded Ukraine with 5 million on foot, and thousands of tanks. They would have marched from city to city, parking 500k troops in the geometric center of the city, and they would have started with Kiyv, not some asinine 'land bridge' to another part of the country they stole like goblins a decade ago.


Probably, Stalin attached even less value to Russian life than Putin does. And yeah, when you've got that kind of body count to your name, when you've had that many people rounded up and sent to Siberia, people tend to do what you say. The NKVD did not mess around, scary dudes. Their presence was motivating.

It's true the Soviets did a good job of it in WWII, kinda what I meant, and with our help no less. I've heard and read about Russians paying homage to the 400k trucks and jeeps we gave them to contend with Russia's vast distances. Being able to drive supplies over frozen rivers was crucial. I'm guessing much of that transport effort to the East was done with many of the same American vehicles actually. Putin has no gifts of similar worth, though in fairness I suppose people like Trump, Flynn, Cawthorn, Tucker, etc should be recognized as the Russian assets they are.

Ukraine gave Stalin a bitter insurgency (that was put down) but I don't think Putin is going to have the same luck. I think he stands a better chance of helping his government die the same way the Soviet Union did: dejected, broke, and on the lonely side.
 
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Tsinni Dave

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Ethnic Russians getting murdered for the past 8+ years (about 10k) is one of the main reason for the demilitarization.

National security and needing to draw the line at some point on NATO encroachment and breaking of agreements and obligations...

Is it just me or does the word "obligations" link up to a Kids in the Hall sketch for reference? If so, AI exists and has a sense of humour, if not you're using Kids in the Hall skits for references?
 

senseamp

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makes sense to me, everything's controlled

definitely plausable
Propaganda is always thick during war time, but that's gratuitously conspiratorial. She's a long time producer in that studio. I don't think anyone is claiming she was there accidentally. And her father is Ukrainian. And if Putin wanted to demonstrate Russia being democratic, people like her would have been allowed to present an anti-war position without getting arrested immediately.
 

amd6502

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Is it just me or does the word "obligations" link up to a Kids in the Hall sketch for reference? If so, AI exists and has a sense of humour, if not you're using Kids in the Hall skits for references?

I honestly feel that's the position Putin has been put in. The kid in the skit never draws a line, but some people do. I'm all politic-sed out, peace out and good night.
 

nickqt

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I honestly feel that's the position Putin has been put in....
So in your delusional reality, Putin has been put into a place, and it was Ukraine that did the putting?

Poor billionaire dictator-for-life Putin, being victimized by Ukraine?

Putin is putting up a defensive "special military operation"?

Ukraine is on the offensive?

You're not stupid, you're just a fucking propaganda troll. Congrats on that, I hope you're being paid in rubles.
 

Genx87

Lifer
Apr 8, 2002
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Ethnic Russians getting murdered for the past 8+ years (about 10k) is one of the main reason for the demilitarization.

National security and needing to draw the line at some point on NATO encroachment and breaking of agreements and obligations is probably even a higher priority reason (which is why it's the actually first thing I mentioned in this thread). TLAV who normally does marathon long podcasts does a nice short introduction on this topic, ~8 minutes.

Those 10K "ethnic" Russians wouldn't have died in fighting if Putin didn't invade in 2014.
 
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Muse

Lifer
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The Ukrainians voted for a more pro-Western and pro joining NATO president than the previous one who was against joining NATO for one.
Why didn't Ukraine join NATO? For heaven's sake it would have prevented this entire nightmare!!!
 

rommelrommel

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Murdering ??! That's quite the leap.

It seems at this point in the game RU military is limiting Kiev evacuations northward. Those two differences can hardly get much bigger.

Everything is in RU's interest to smoothly evac Kiev. Whoever is sabotaging these evac routes obviously is not on the RU side, but on the same side as the ones who've tried to make the demilitarization as bloody as possible.

What term would you prefer for hemming up civilians and then indiscriminate shelling of said areas?

Why do you keep using the bullshit propaganda of "demilitarize?"

Are sovereign nations not permitted to have militaries?
 
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Muse

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I saw a post in this thread by a member who donated to help Ukrainian victims of this war. Member said they did some research and had some satisfaction that it was a worthy avenue to donate. I don't recall the exact information, but remember it contained this string: savethechildren

Can I get recommendation(s)?
 

Muse

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I totally agree with his reasonings about and criticisms of American hesitation. We are not about to attack Russia but should not hesitate to forcefully defend another country which is under attack by Russia. And the statements of some American officials have not been helpful, including some of those by Biden. He should have never uttered "World War Three." You don't want to give Russia a psychological edge... of any kind in this situation. Some things need to remain unspoken, though clearly known. We need to be firm, not shaking in our boots. Also, our military/diplomatic policy recently has been woefully uncoordinated, as noted in the linked article, particularly the retreat from Afghanistan. Our intelligence and stance prior to the Feb. 24 invasion of Ukraine were pretty great, but subsequently our response to the actual invasion lacks conviction and firmness. Well, we're not a dictatorship, so some of that's to be expected. Still, I think Biden needs to think things through more carefully. He's obviously thinking about the midterms in some degree. But he needs to choose his words better, and not doing so betrays a lack of resolve.

This guy doesn't use the term "no fly zone," but he clearly favors establishing one and enforcing it thoroughly.
 
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Carom

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Ethnic Russians getting murdered for the past 8+ years (about 10k) is one of the main reason for the demilitarization.


For those who do not speak the language of the enemy--this meme says Eight years!!! and is created for putler's trolls.
 
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NostaSeronx

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oh gosh golly, I hope no one finds out about the Russian & American National Movement/Unity/Party/etc that has 100K-1M+ of members. Which eclipses the Ukrainian National equivalent by >100x each.

Ukraine is/were/are not governed by Fascists. However, it is quite clear that Republican party has fallen into Fascism and can't get out. While, the United Russians and every other Russian party has gone full fascist.

This is also ignoring the Supreme Race issues of India and China.

Completely ignores that ethnic Ukrainians are getting ethnic cleansed everyday right now. Goodbye Ukrainian city, say hello to new pure-Russian city location.
 
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adamsleath

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Probably, Stalin attached even less value to Russian life than Putin does. And yeah, when you've got that kind of body count to your name, when you've had that many people rounded up and sent to Siberia, people tend to do what you say. The NKVD did not mess around, scary dudes. Their presence was motivating.

It's true the Soviets did a good job of it in WWII, kinda what I meant, and with our help no less. I've heard and read about Russians paying homage to the 400k trucks and jeeps we gave them to contend with Russia's vast distances. Being able to drive supplies over frozen rivers was crucial. I'm guessing much of that transport effort to the East was done with many of the same American vehicles actually. Putin has no gifts of similar worth, though in fairness I suppose people like Trump, Flynn, Cawthorn, Tucker, etc should be recognized as the Russian assets they are.

Ukraine gave Stalin a bitter insurgency (that was put down) but I don't think Putin is going to have the same luck. I think he stands a better chance of helping his government die the same way the Soviet Union did: dejected, broke, and on the lonely side.
If only they could get rid of Putin. A new set of cronies and a new leader, with some fresh objectives might improve their situation. If the west is reasonable.

Otherwise this Orwellian shit may go on and on. Not just in Ukraine but in Russia as well. That sphincter of a military dictatorship. There are a fair few in the world.

But you know what when it was Afghanistan and Georgia I really did not give a rat's arse.
It did not make the funnies. Or Syria for that matter.
Russia have been playing these games for decades.
NATO has and is stating that they will not conduct military ops in Ukraine versus Russia.

I'll wait for the memo if things change.

And it's not like we haven't been playing empires . For like thousands of years.
But it does get predictable in its baseness. And mundanity.
 
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cytg111

Lifer
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Ethnic Russians getting murdered for the past 8+ years (about 10k) is one of the main reason for the demilitarization.

National security and needing to draw the line at some point on NATO encroachment and breaking of agreements and obligations is probably even a higher priority reason (which is why it's the actually first thing I mentioned in this thread). TLAV who normally does marathon long podcasts does a nice short introduction on this topic, ~8 minutes.

Murdered at the hand of Putin himself

And this is how it operates

Stalinists, capital punishment, gulags....

And here this moron is, SPLAINING, how it is the people of Donbass that needs *protection* from the abusive democratic government of Ukraine - and not the totalitarian occupational *Putin financed and backed* insurrection forces.

Imagine if EU financed Jihad on Hungary because reasons.
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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Murdered at the hand of Putin himself

And this is how it operates

Stalinists, capital punishment, gulags....

And here this moron is, SPLAINING, how it is the people of Donbass that needs *protection* from the abusive democratic government of Ukraine - and not the totalitarian occupational *Putin financed and backed* insurrection forces.

Imagine if EU financed Jihad on Hungary because reasons.
"Like Russia would kill ethnic Russians. Learn to critically think!" -as we watch Russia arrest and threaten to conscript anyone who dares to protest this war in Russia, in real time.
 
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