Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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adamsleath

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The US??? The Fed is currently: buying fewer bonds, reducing the money supply and increasing the overnight interest rate.
So, read b/4 you leap.
yes interesting times. we'll see how long that lasts. i hope you've prepped your investments into high dividend yield stocks.

be interesting too the effects of this on the USD.

just as well we have these sanctions . australian mining companies are reaping export dollars like crazy right now.

the world/us has gotten used to QE ever since GFC 1.0 . good luck. but , as if i have any choice about it, which i don't, I think the tightening is a good idea. time will tell.
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germany is in recession. Europe is likely to be in recession Q1 - into 2022.
they 'may' have to QE it, while in contrast the u.s. will not. this, if i have any idea at all, will strengthen the usd. but hey it could be the opposite of that. i can but speculate.
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as for putin, if there were justice, he'd be blasted into mincemeat. but this is a man who has been bombing civilians left right and centre for 2 decades in various locations, and bullying his russian people into submission, using his 'laws' to subjugate the people etc. despots aren't known for their peaceful ways.
 
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Muse

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Panic rising.

“Excessive demand for sugar continues in Russian cities. In social networks, they share shots from stores where goods are swept away before even reaching the shelves. In some places, workers began to give out sugar only to their hands in order to avoid fights among buyers. And somewhere lined up”


TBH, these videos of the war with heavy metal background music rub me the wrong way entirely. I'm OK with the music but not as background to these videos. War should NOT be entertainment and I automatically suspect at least the intentions if not the integrity of anyone doing this multimedia treatment of this war. I've only seen/heard this stuff for about 2 days now, all, I think, on Twitter threads.
 

Muse

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I assume you are referring to the orange moron - fair enough, but I would have thought his being wrong about everything was kind of a given.

However, I have to say it seems to be more the Democrats who have painted Putin as being some sort of evil mastermind, able to manipulate millions of Americans and change the course of US elections.
I have never doubted that stuff was/is going on or that the Orange idiot was elected only because of Russia's help, but I have never thought that it was Putin's brainwork that got this done. He's just presiding over a vastly corrupt system that does this and all manner of other nefarious activities. I'm not saying that the USA doesn't have reprehensible, nefarious things going on. But I don't think we're as sinister as the Russians by a long shot.
 

K1052

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TBH, these videos of the war with heavy metal background music rub me the wrong way entirely. I'm OK with the music but not as background to these videos. War should NOT be entertainment and I automatically suspect at least the intentions if not the integrity of anyone doing this multimedia treatment of this war. I've only seen/heard this stuff for about 2 days now, all, I think, on Twitter threads.

Part of this is just the technology involved and a generation who grew up with it has gone to war. Even though it can seem jarring to some of us who are older. My sound is almost always off anyway.
 

Roger Wilco

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TBH, these videos of the war with heavy metal background music rub me the wrong way entirely. I'm OK with the music but not as background to these videos. War should NOT be entertainment and I automatically suspect at least the intentions if not the integrity of anyone doing this multimedia treatment of this war. I've only seen/heard this stuff for about 2 days now, all, I think, on Twitter threads.

I almost never use audio with these clips unless someone is being interviewed.
 

Muse

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Part of this is just the technology involved and a generation who grew up with it has gone to war. Even though it can seem jarring to some of us who are older. My sound is almost always off anyway.
I don't find it "jarring," I just suspect the integrity of the people who are putting a heavy metal soundtrack to images of war that are playing out in real time. I'd be less suspicious if they were using WW II footage, though. Is it an anti-war message? No, I don't believe for a second that that is their intention. I think the musical soundtrack is incongruous because the intention in portraying a real time war should be to enhance understanding and nothing more. IMO, putting music behind the videos gets in the way of that.
I almost never use audio with these clips unless someone is being interviewed.
I don't mind the sound of people talking or shouting (subtitles are appreciated if it isn't English) or the sounds of explosions or jets, motor vehicles, real time audio captured right there. I don't want sound effects or music unless it's produced on cite: i.e. people singing or musicians playing in a town square and such.
 
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uallas5

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TBH, these videos of the war with heavy metal background music rub me the wrong way entirely. I'm OK with the music but not as background to these videos. War should NOT be entertainment and I automatically suspect at least the intentions if not the integrity of anyone doing this multimedia treatment of this war. I've only seen/heard this stuff for about 2 days now, all, I think, on Twitter threads.
It doesn't bother so much probably because I'm so used to it at this point. And not just this conflict. At this point I can't watch anything on the war in Vietnam without "Paint it Black" by the Rolling Stones popping into my head.
 

K1052

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I think the musical soundtrack is incongruous because the intention in portraying a real time war should be to foster understanding and nothing more. IMO, putting music behind the videos gets in the way of that.

These aren't journalists largely taking videos. Ordinary soldiers and people.
 

cytg111

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TBH, these videos of the war with heavy metal background music rub me the wrong way entirely. I'm OK with the music but not as background to these videos. War should NOT be entertainment and I automatically suspect at least the intentions if not the integrity of anyone doing this multimedia treatment of this war. I've only seen/heard this stuff for about 2 days now, all, I think, on Twitter threads.
I always see this in the context of what I believe to be the target audience, in this case I imagine its fighters on the ground.. Its not about yours or my morals, its about morale on the ground.
 

Muse

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These aren't journalists largely taking videos. Ordinary soldiers and people.
I'm fully aware of that but the injection of these videos into threads isn't being done by those soldiers and witnesses, it's being done by people who were not there in person, and I'm saying that them adding their choice of music or sound effects (which is worse) is reprehensible.
 

BoomerD

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I'm fully aware of that but the injection of these videos into threads isn't being done by those soldiers and witnesses, it's being done by people who were not there in person, and I'm saying that them adding their choice of music or sound effects (which is worse) is reprehensible.

Then...the way I see it, you have two options...
(1) Stop watching the videos entirely.
(2) Turn off your volume so you don't have to hear the ugly music.

The content creators don't give a shit what YOU want to hear....nor what I want to hear. We aren't their target audience.
 

zinfamous

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Part of this is just the technology involved and a generation who grew up with it has gone to war. Even though it can seem jarring to some of us who are older. My sound is almost always off anyway.

I personally know a VP at Raytheon. Good guy, funny, and while I have a pretty dark sense of humor....the way this guy jokes around people, including his daughters, about the value of terrorism and targeting villages "somewhere over there" with large ballistic payloads, to keeping his family very well-fed...is very much cringe.

Those videos remind of this kind of attitude. Well, it's a different angle of the same side of the coin, the other being the kind of dickless assholes that flock to trucker convoys will happily rub several out to Metallica and A-10 operational video.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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I think there’s some overstatement, yes, but I think it’s naive to think Putin didn’t change the course of the 2016 election. All you have to ask yourself is if the entire scope of Russian involvement changed the mind of 0.5% of voters. That seems pretty plausible to me.
I really think that it speaks volumes as to how incompetent Putin is on matters of war, not insomuch how much additional effort he has put into global information campaigns, but how breathtakingly easy it is to manipulate people.
 

fskimospy

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I really think that it speaks volumes as to how incompetent Putin is on matters of war, not insomuch how much additional effort he has put into global information campaigns, but how breathtakingly easy it is to manipulate people.
I read something interesting about how Putin gutted his own army out of fear it could overthrow him, and this is the result.
 
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K1052

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I read something interesting about how Putin gutted his own army out of fear it could overthrow him, and this is the result.

Wonder how long till he starts the executions of "disloyal" officers who betrayed/failed him since he seems intent on playing the hits.
 
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Bitek

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Why do you think you are at Ground Zero?
Berkeley, CA? Lawrence Livermore Berkeley Lab, UC Berkeley, San Francisco. A giant hydrogen bomb dropped over my house would take them all out. I'd imagine an all out nuclear assault would incinerate me pronto.

Growing up in the 80s just outside of Denver, as a kid I often assumed I'd be fine because Denver was in the middle of the country and it was surrounded by so much nothing.

Why target here? It's not NYC, LA.. it's plains and mountains...

.. musings as we drove past all the missle silos hanging out in the middle of fenced off fields, or down to the air force academy in the Springs, or Cheyenne fking Mountain...

Yeah, we were getting all sorts of missiles inbound if it went to shit...
 
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zinfamous

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Hoping to find an actual source for this, even if it is just a random twatter, but this gossip that I got from the Baltic news stream(I'm guessing a lot of Russian/Latvian followers, so maybe not picked up in English language channels):

Apparently, there is some recording or report of a recording from the cell phone interceptions that UA has been capturing from Russian soldiers calling their mothers or whatever back home (because RA officers confiscated all of their grunts comms, the occupying RU have been using stolen and looted cell phones and SIM cards, so it is easy for Ukrainian army to intercept this banter. We knew that), there is a report of local UK grandma that fed some occupying soldiers a dinner of pierogis out of kindness, and in following that, some 8 or 12 RU soldiers did do dying.

This is from the same stream that brought us the pickle jar drone strike (possibly the same grandma? hmm...), but that was then later confirmed but also updated to be a can of tomatoes.

damn, UK babushka don't fuck around.

that also seems a bit propagandistic and could be used to sway RU opinion against "Nazi Ukrainians," so I treat with a teaspoon of salt.
 
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brycejones

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Growing up in the 80s just outside of Denver, as a kid I often assumed I'd be fine because Denver was in the middle of the country and it was surrounded by so much nothing.

Why target here? It's not NYC, LA.. it's plains and mountains...

.. musings as we drove past all the missle silos hanging out in the middle of fenced off fields, or down to the air force academy in the Springs, or Cheyenne fking Mountain...

Yeah, we were getting all sorts of missiles inbound if it went to shit...
Rocky Flats would have been a target.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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Hoping to find an actual source for this, even if it is just a random twatter, but this gossip that I got from the Baltic news stream(I'm guessing a lot of Russian/Latvian followers, so maybe not picked up in English language channels):

Apparently, there is some recording or report of a recording from the cell phone interceptions that UA has been capturing from Russian soldiers calling their mothers or whatever back home (because RA officers confiscated all of their grunts comms, the occupying RU have been using stolen and looted cell phones and SIM cards, so it is easy for Ukrainian army to intercept this banter. We knew that), there is a report of local UK grandma that fed some occupying soldiers a dinner of pierogis out of kindness, and in following that, some 8 or 12 RU soldiers did do dying.

This is from the same stream that brought us the pickle jar drone strike (possibly the same grandma? hmm...), but that was then later confirmed but also updated to be a can of tomatoes.

damn, UK babushka don't fuck around.

that also seems a bit propagandistic and could be used to sway RU opinion against "Nazi Ukrainians," so I treat with a teaspoon of salt.
I would expect at minimum for folks to be slipping eye drops into 'supply caches' that get 'discovered' around Ukraine. Some good poisons work too though I suppose.
 
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