Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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nakedfrog

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But it is, the peace treaty was signed and deliviered but no "complete" surrender, they would not surrender their Emperor. US demanded that they'd make a "complete surrender". So the US nuked two cities and you don't know why nor do I but afterwards the US did accept that EXACT peace treaty, Japan kept their Emperor and the US did what the US does, propaganda to tell everyone they won and got a "complete surrender".

Here we are almost 60 years later and you still can't accept reality because you were taught the propaganda and you are clinging to it with all you have. Now tell me, is this how you want to live, in deceit? Perhaps you think slavery was justified because they rescued them from the savages? Or how there is an actual genetic differential between races? That races of humans actually exist.

Then there is the idea that the US didn't know about the holocuast before you entered the war and you did it because of it. The truth is that it was not only known but supported at full by the US, dead Jews, sign us up said America. You knew about this and supported it until YOU were attacked and then, late in the game you did a bit of warring and now you think you saved Europe...

You probably also believe that the US was founded by puritans escaping England because they were oppressed...

All of this is abject lies you learned, all of it.
60 years later? I think you may be getting old, it's nearly 80... my parents weren't even born yet.
 

adamsleath

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maybe the russian military will implode in abject failure. which erodes putin's position.
either that or escalate the carnage.

depends how many pawns , including military equipment putin is willing to sacrifice. chess is a popular game in russia.
 

adamsleath

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So Putin's strategy is to pulverize Ukraine into dust and subjugate its citizens in order to save (seize) it's natural resources for himself and his oligarch buddies? Seems probable.
i think it is as simple as that. and is consistent .
in chess you sacrifice pieces and attack. the more aggressive the attack the quicker the game is concluded. and russia has far more material to sacrifice than ukraine does.

dropping a nuke has not been excluded as a possibility.
zelensky is vapour.

still buying russian gas and oil?

russia has surplus food. and other resources. don't kid yourselves about sanctions and some seized yachts. russia is the largest land area of all nations. and a relatively small population. it trades with china, and other countries also.

the west is neutered in this matter.

perhaps putin will be replaced. but it would require a military coup. good luck.
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i am not saying ukraine has not done well in the geurilla war. obviously it has.

and casualties have been relatively low at this point. might be the killer blow to putin's regime. i guess that is a reality that they'll deal with one way or another.

i spose blockades of trade are happening.
 
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Grey_Beard

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So Putin's strategy is to pulverize Ukraine into dust and subjugate its citizens in order to save (seize) it's natural resources for himself and his oligarch buddies? Seems probable.

He may pulverize the cities, but he cannot do much with the natural resources. The blood spilled will taint everything. He is destroying Russia for some maniacal reason that history, some years from now, will extract. Until then we can only watch the horror unfold.
 

hal2kilo

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So Putin's strategy is to pulverize Ukraine into dust and subjugate its citizens in order to save (seize) it's natural resources for himself and his oligarch buddies? Seems probable.
Conan's creed.

Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the women
 
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RnR_au

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Russia moves on to Finland, west does nothing, Russia continues to invade whatever they can touch until they hit a NATO country (highly likely if no response to 1/3).
Just on this point, NATO isn't the only game in town. Finland have defense agreements with a number of countries including Sweden, Norway and the USA. Both Finland and Sweden outspend the rest of the EU on a per GDP basis, so they won't be push overs.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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Just on this point, NATO isn't the only game in town. Finland have defense agreements with a number of countries including Sweden, Norway and the USA. Both Finland and Sweden outspend the rest of the EU on a per GDP basis, so they won't be push overs.
Neither is Ukraine, clearly. If they're willing to nuke Ukraine, they'll do the same to Finland.
 
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Captante

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Neither is Ukraine, clearly. If they're willing to nuke Ukraine, they'll do the same to Finland.


No question about it.

Fortunately I'm pretty sure committing literal national/world suicide is not something the Russian's will do. Chem/bio-weapons on the other hand might be.

Any nukes being deployed by Putin will ultimately very likely lead to the end of the human race as we know it, pretty much wherever they're detonated. (unless maybe it's inside Russia!)

The very idea that anyone can "win" even a limited nuclear-exchange is completely insane.
 
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