Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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Captante

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I think it does, and Biden shouldn’t have said it. The problem here is that the people hyperventilating about it are doing so in transparently bad faith.

I agree he should not have said it on-mic but I also don't think its nearly as big a deal as its being made out to be.

Further compared to the bluster and sabre rattling we've heard from Puta recently I'm not inclined to care one bit.

Anyone who thinks this off-hand remark by Biden will cause Putin to do anything he wasn't already going to do is simply mistaken.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
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especially in the separatists areas which have basically devolved into trench warfare.

This is not WW1. Trenches are bombed with precision from afar, or from the air.
Or simply encircled. Crimea can easily be separated from Russian supplies. Donbas, not so much. But that's assuming Russia can rally and not collapse entirely while under pressure. The future is dangerous and holds many options.
 

Grey_Beard

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I think it does, and Biden shouldn’t have said it. The problem here is that the people hyperventilating about it are doing so in transparently bad faith.

Does not matter. Regardless, saying everything right does nothing to stop this menace. This little fool will make it up as he goes along, is an evil inhumane leader, does not deserve respect and is a epic liar (almost as much as Dumpf). The political division in this country will continue to see things through their cult glasses; therefore, Biden gets roasted over here anyway he does it. I would rather him do what he is doing. Could imagine the face on the child if that was Dumpf in that picture or was eating pizza with the troops? LOLZ
 

Captante

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yes, but sister Lindsay went with assassination

It's a rare day indeed when this slimy character and I agree on anything even in spirit!

(I feel dirty)

I'd be absolutely fine with Putin getting whacked although it would be wise to use a little more tact when discussing it especially if something really is brewing ... no sense in warning him!
 
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Jaskalas

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But this has nothing to do with Ukraine, now does it.

A President appearing to draw the red line as regime change in Russia is kind of a big deal, and on topic.

While everyone agrees that Putin needs to go... maybe don't try and scare Russians into thinking we're actually coming straight to Moscow to uphold our President's public vow.

Speak softly, and carry a big stick.
 

cytg111

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Ukrainians are saying Russian troops have just been supplied with Atropine ampules.

If that's true, oh shit. Here's comes the Aleppo treatment, and the West is going to snap.

Someone hurry up and put a few rounds into Putin's swollen dome, the world needs a hero and it's running out of time.
So, here comes the chemistry lesson? Putin has to go.
 
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cytg111

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So. What escalation are we talking about? If gas is used? Response from the west? Space lasers?

Anyway, now that Putinbitch has redefined criteria for success being Donbas region, odds are he will pull out of mid and west Ukraine to focus on that front…. If/when that happens a humanitarian peacekeeping special NATO operation in west/mid Ukraine is totally legit….. Right?
 

trenchfoot

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This thing with chem warfare is as much a psychological weapon as it is a physical one. I can see Putin messing with people's heads, dropping the mention of using chem just to see where he can exploit it to his advantage. I'm sure he's keeping tabs on how the mentioning of it is rippling through all concerned parties and adjusting his plans accordingly, just as he did with "the nuke option".
 

Grey_Beard

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I watch these middles hitting Lviv, as much as I have been against hitting Russia directly, we need to start. Send a cruise middle to Lviv, get one sent to a random Russian city. I know the reaction this and I am just venting, but I am frustrated by what this little Puti is doing. Hard to sit back and watch. Want to do more, but understand why we cannot.
 

Lezunto

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I never believed Joe Biden suffered from Dementia and still don’t think he does.

Biden has never been a dynamic public speaker and tries to not stutter when he gives a speech or replies to rapid fire questions. This does not make him a bad or clueless Commander-in-Chief. It makes him human. Few folks who have been POTUS were blessed with the public speaking skills of Barack Obama.

I admire Biden because he’s rational, does not make a nonsensical joke about an invasion that is killing thousands of innocent civilians and exhibits no malice towards People of Color, the disabled or the poor. He made sure that those in this country who wanted one, could obtain a free Covid-19 vaccine. Trump downplayed the pandemic.

Personally, I believe some members of the news media are being unfair when they hint Putin invaded Ukraine because our President is perceived as weak. Biden is not weak at all.

He is doing the best he can under difficult circumstances. Biden is being viciously attacked and demeaned daily by Trump and the GOP and maligned endlessly by Conservative and Right Wing group spokesmen.

Biden simply understands the wider war that may follow if he gives in to emotional demands for a No-Fly Zone over Ukraine or frenzied calls to employ nukes or send U.S. troops to this theater or war.

With several countries depending on annual grain imports from Ukraine and Russia, I am worried about food shortages if those shipments are greatly reduced or curtailed. There is no easy way to stop this war. Some corporations refused to stop doing business in Russia. Some Republicans support the invasion.

I am surprised the Russian military has suffered so many setbacks. But I am more saddened that thousands of Ukrainian innocents are dying.
 

sportage

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Biden's words saying that "Putin needs to go" was presidential indeed, then.... the Whitehouse walked it back??? Whomever it is within the Biden Whitehouse that decides to "walk stuff back", that individual needs to go bye bye asap. Biden was right and his knee jerk reactions are usually right on the mark, but to then feel his words need walking back is exactly why Biden's poll numbers are so pathetic. Someone on the team is giving Biden bad advise, and Americans admire presidents who stick to their word and who say the things that Biden says no matter how cringing. I have a feeling that if Biden would only do a little housecleaning, he could greatly improve his poll numbers. Heck, people might even decide to elect democrats this fall and reelect Joe Biden in 2024.

If Putin were to lob missiles into a NATO nation, I wonder if Biden would actually keep his word to respond with American troops and American planes? Or, if someone within Biden's Whitehouse would come up with some lame excuse to "walk it back" as to why we shouldn't get involved? I know that no one wants a WW3, but to make such statements of support to NATO countries, then to not follow thru should the need arise, that would be disastorous for Biden and for America, and Putin's excuse to walk all over America. Putin might even decide to lob some missiles our way.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
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So. What escalation are we talking about? If gas is used? Response from the west? Space lasers?

Anyway, now that Putinbitch has redefined criteria for success being Donbas region, odds are he will pull out of mid and west Ukraine to focus on that front…. If/when that happens a humanitarian peacekeeping special NATO operation in west/mid Ukraine is totally legit….. Right?

If Russian forces pull back to East of the river, not sure what humanitarian operation is needed in the "safe" areas, and let's face it. So long as Russia is at war they will be bombing throughout the country, specifically targeting logistics and supplies. To cut off the east by damaging the rest of Ukraine. None of it will be "safe" until this is over.

Also, who said Russia is pulling back? I'd wait for reports of that from the ground. Perhaps they will keep their forces in the center while they sweep the East.
 

trenchfoot

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The perception of Biden's physical and mental condition has everything to do with the Repub's propaganda campaign against him, labeling him as weak and decrepit. With no credibility and no morals and ethics to guide them, there's nothing they can mention that doesn't have the stench of treachery in what they say.

I'm not buying into any of it because the singular purpose of anything they do and say is for seizing control of the nation any way they can get it. Their efforts aren't meant to unite the nation, their efforts are all directed toward weakening the foundation of the nation to such a point where it becomes easy enough for them to successfully pull off a coup against the majority of the people, many of whom either don't realize how close we are to having one or simply don't care enough to vote for protecting their inalienable rights as American citizens.
 

trenchfoot

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Fucking great speech.



I tried to imagine Trump giving that speech what with how he tried his best to break up NATO, giving Putin one less huge problem to deal with toward seizing Ukraine for himself. Well, I didn't know whether to chuckle and snicker at the sight of it or totally shut that view out of my mind thinking how humiliatingly awkward it would have been for Donald to walk back every single thing he said and did to dismantle NATO to its core in order to become the guy that's leading the free world against the guy he would like to become the American version of.

Biden could just have very well been talking about Trump in his speech about Putin.
 

sandorski

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I tried to imagine Trump giving that speech what with how he tried his best to break up NATO, giving Putin one less huge problem to deal with toward seizing Ukraine for himself. Well, I didn't know whether to chuckle and snicker at the sight of it or totally shut that view out of my mind thinking how humiliatingly awkward it would have been for Donald to walk back every single thing he said and did to dismantle NATO to its core in order to become the guy that's leading the free world against the guy he would like to become the American version of.

Biden could just have very well been talking about Trump in his speech about Putin.

Trump was implied, justifiably so. We are at a pivotal moment in History. We need to make the right choice again.
 
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