Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

[sandorski]

I'll take the Demented one over the Alpha Male, then.

 

[Atari2600]

So. What escalation are we talking about? If gas is used? Response from the west? Space lasers?

I'd go with airstrikes within Ukrainian territory.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Hmmm, thoughts?

Ukraine Says New Red Cross Office In Russia Will Legitimize Moscow's Alleged Abduction Of Civilians

Forbes|3 hours ago
The Red Cross is reportedly planning to build an office in Rostov-on-Don, which is temporarily housing thousands of Ukrainians extracted from the warzone.


I can see where the RC thinks they want to help feed and care for injured, but ....

 

[cytg111]

Hmmm, thoughts?

Ukraine Says New Red Cross Office In Russia Will Legitimize Moscow's Alleged Abduction Of Civilians

Forbes|3 hours ago
The Red Cross is reportedly planning to build an office in Rostov-on-Don, which is temporarily housing thousands of Ukrainians extracted from the warzone.


I can see where the RC thinks they want to help feed and care for injured, but ....

If RC cant see they're being used as propaganda props, they need help seeing.

 

[sandorski]

Could be a way to provide safety for them though. The Red Cross is just trying to do the right thing. We need to prevent atrocity any way we can. I hope Ukraine changes its' mind on this point.

The UN should have some oversight though. Perhaps the abducted could be given a choice to be moved to a NATO country or remain in Russia. Then their wishes get followed through. I would expect nothing but excuses from Putin against this.

 

[Dave_5k]

I'd go with airstrikes within Ukrainian territory.

As much as I’d like to agree, unless you include Crimea (which has >500k native Russians that moved in post 2014, and Russia considers part of Russia), and Belarus, would have minimal impact. None of the cruise missiles or ballistic missiles are launching from mainland Ukraine. Fighters are now rarely entering Ukraine more than momentarily, mostly lobbing bombs/missiles from near the border to avoid risk.

Thus long range air strikes inside Ukraine would be of very limited help - while close air tactical support would theoretically be very valuable, in practice would be near impossible to coordinate and would certainly get pilots shot down.

 

[compcons]

Could be a way to provide safety for them though. The Red Cross is just trying to do the right thing. We need to prevent atrocity any way we can. I hope Ukraine changes its' mind on this point.

The UN should have some oversight though. Perhaps the abducted could be given a choice to be moved to a NATO country or remain in Russia. Then their wishes get followed through. I would expect nothing but excuses from Putin against this.

Could be way to get some covert-types into Russia...

Just let me have some hopes.

 

[K1052]

Thus long range air strikes inside Ukraine would be of very limited help - while close air tactical support would theoretically be very valuable, in practice would be near impossible to coordinate and would certainly get pilots shot down.

MQ-9s could make a real mess of things for the Russians alone. Get a map of the railway system showing where every culvert in the south is and start dropping Paveways on them. Russian armor would also really not like to meet Hellfires.

 

[pauldun170]

Hmmm, thoughts?

Ukraine Says New Red Cross Office In Russia Will Legitimize Moscow's Alleged Abduction Of Civilians

Forbes|3 hours ago
The Red Cross is reportedly planning to build an office in Rostov-on-Don, which is temporarily housing thousands of Ukrainians extracted from the warzone.


I can see where the RC thinks they want to help feed and care for injured, but ....

Based on the article, it was one guy that complained. A single lawmaker is quoted.
Red Cross doesn't take sides. Nor should it.

 

[pauldun170]

If RC cant see they're being used as propaganda props, they need help seeing.

"Sorry folks, we know what it says in our mission statement and all but we can't help due to how it looks"

 

[Dave_5k]

MQ-9s could make a real mess of things for the Russians alone. Get a map of the railway system showing where every culvert in the south is and start dropping Paveways on them. Russian armor would also really not like to meet Hellfires.

Only if we take out the S-400 battalions first - including in Crimea

 

[cytg111]

"Sorry folks, we know what it says in our mission statement and all but we can't help due to how it looks"

Yes. That.
OR.
By legitimizing the regime they're actively fueling the feedback loop that operates Russian rapists and baby killers in ... say ... Ukraine. For an example.

 

[Meghan54]

Yes. That.
OR.
By legitimizing the regime they're actively fueling the feedback loop that operates Russian rapists and baby killers in ... say ... Ukraine. For an example.

This is from the ICRC on why they deal with Russia, just like they actively dealt with N. Korea during the Korean War, Germany and Japan during WWII, etc., etc.

They cannot pick and choose who they work with...they're mandated to work with all belligerents.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1507819125896273928

 

[K1052]

Only if we take out the S-400 battalions first - including in Crimea

If they want to use very expensive missiles to blow up drones I’m not sure we should stop them…

 

[Captante]

If they want to use very expensive missiles to blow up drones I’m not sure we should stop them…

More like flood the area with cheapo "decoy" drones to draw fire.

Russia only has so many of those expensive missiles and most likely can't afford to buy/make more. (if they could even get the parts)

 

[hal2kilo]

I agree he should not have said it on-mic but I also don't think its nearly as big a deal as its being made out to be.

Further compared to the bluster and sabre rattling we've heard from Puta recently I'm not inclined to care one bit.

Anyone who thinks this off-hand remark by Biden will cause Putin to do anything he wasn't already going to do is simply mistaken.

I'm sure he wasn't aiming for our domestic consumption, This was for the Russian people.

 

[hal2kilo]

This is from the ICRC on why they deal with Russia, just like they actively dealt with N. Korea during the Korean War, Germany and Japan during WWII, etc., etc.

They cannot pick and choose who they work with...they're mandated to work with all belligerents.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1507819125896273928

Otherwise they would be limited to a partisan side in any conflict.

 

[woolfe9998]

CNN summary of Trump's past conduct in relation to Russia and Ukraine.

4 things to remember about Trump, Ukraine and Putin | CNN Politics

The Russian invasion of Ukraine didn't just happen out of nowhere.

www.cnn.com

Summary:

- backed Putin's conquest of, and annexation of Ukraine, praising Putin over his handling of it.
- Words and later, actions, undermining NATO.
- Withheld aid from Ukraine to extort political benefits
- Accused Ukraine of interfering in the 2016 election, rather than Russia, who every sane person knows was responsible
- engaged a smear campaign against Ukraine's government, spreading Russian falsehoods of all kinds.

All of which undoubtedly emboldened Putin to invade Ukraine today.

 

[HomerJS]

Sobering discussion on Putin, the invasion and nukes

 

[adamsleath]

Yeh but risking ww3 is totally worth it . /S


It isn't worth it.

Worst case. Putin uses a nuke.
Say there is no response.

But Ukraine continues resistance.

Then Putin drops a second one.


Then what?
Blow up the world?
So Putin is stopped ?

Gtfo fools.

You'll be the king's of a dead planet.
Goddamn dirty apes.

This isn't tombstone Arizona, Wyatt erpp and the cowboys, as much as some hillbillies think it is .

If you are relying on the Russian military to avert a nuclear escalation, I'd hope there are sane people who realise what nuclear escalation means.
Death for most of us. And the rest in underground bunkers. I'd bet some nutters actually would be fine with that .

 

[Captante]

Yeh but risking ww3 is totally worth it . /S


It isn't worth it.

Worst case. Putin uses a nuke.
Say there is no response.

But Ukraine continues resistance.

Then Putin drops a second one.


Then what?
Blow up the world?
So Putin is stopped ?

Gtfo fools.

This is why I don't believe he'll actually use a nuke because the world would ultimately end for Russia too and in a hurry.

One thing Puta does have is a keen survival-sense and even if he's fine in his Siberian bunker what's the point if the rest of Russia has been nuked back to the stone-age?

Chemical weapons along the lines of sarin are far more likely to actually be used by Russia IMO, especially with what we've heard recently about anti-nerve agent drugs being distributed to their forces.

 

[darkswordsman17]

More like flood the area with cheapo "decoy" drones to draw fire.

Russia only has so many of those expensive missiles and most likely can't afford to buy/make more. (if they could even get the parts)

Or, I don't know, how about you send the drones to blowup the expensive Russian SAMs directly? So they either have to waste the SAM blowing up the drones or the drones blow up the SAM.

 

[Captante]

Or, I don't know, how about you send the drones to blowup the expensive Russian SAMs directly? So they either have to waste the SAM blowing up the drones or the drones blow up the SAM.

The only downside would be that this would give them a plausible "excuse" to just start shooting.... the other way if we've pulled off getting the drones flying openly in Ukraine without escalation (not bloody likely!) we can still feign ignorance.



Seriously I still don't see any realistic way we hit anything inside Russia without triggering WWIII and nuclear annihilation for everyone. (personally I want my daughters to live long, healthy lives!)

 

[Muse]

Panzerknacker!

As an Englishman I love the term "Panzerknacker"!

Panzerknacker, a German word meaning 'Armour Breaker',

 

[Muse]

:

That's the look of a man who is experiencing a lot of cognitive dissonance.