Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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Ajay

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I hope terrible things happen to these Russian Troops.
Yup, in particular, send them home in body bags or on stretchers. Dead is a terrible enough thing to me - permanent as it is. They can all suffer the drumbeat of unending artillery pounding their positions, drones, missiles an air strikes taking out their armor and leveling their FOBs. No quarter given till they surrender.

Wars are won, in significant part, by killing and maiming allot more of the enemy soldiers than you lose on your side. It part of why I've am in favor of getting offensive weapons into Ukrainian hands. I want Ukraine to be whole, and posses all of the land they held since they broke away from Russia. So, as uneasy as it sits emotionally sometimes, kill their soldiers, destroy their weapons, assassinate their commanders, destroy their morale until there is not one Russian soldier that isn’t dead, captured or running for his life to gtfo.
 

Muse

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well that is interesting, this is probably part of Hunter Biden's nefarious plan
A bee sting can be trouble, for some big trouble.

A few weeks ago I was stung by a bee for the first time in 50+ years, was skating a street and the bug got stuck at the collar of my T-shirt and stung me before I knew what was happening. I finished my eleven 0.9 mile/lap skate (was almost done anyway), in pain, once home, I pulled out the stinger with a tweezers. Had a welt that got bigger and bigger for a day or two (quite visible in a mirror, size of a flattened golf ball), itched and hurt a LOT! I used hydrocortisone cream and Loratadine antihistamine. Was mostly OK after a week. I never had that bad a reaction to a bee sting before. A few of those bites for someone sensitive to the venom could kill!
 
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Muse

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Weird how so many countries around Russia align for mutual defense when this kind of stuff keeps happening decade after decade.

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13:35 1
2 ria.ru-Private
RIA NEWS
to
active Nazis should be exemplarily and
exponentially punished. There must be a total
lustration. Any organizations that have
associated themselves with the practice of Nazism
have been liquidated and banned. However, in
addition to the top, a significant part of the
masses, which are passive Nazis, accomplices
of Nazism, are also guilty. They
supported and indulged Nazi power. The just
punishment of this part of the population is possible
only as bearing the inevitable hardships of
a just war against the Nazi system, waged as
carefully and prudently as possible in
relation to civilians. Further denazification
of this mass of the population consists
in re-education, which is achieved by
ideological repression (suppression) of Nazi
attitudes and strict censorship: not only in
the political sphere, but also necessarily in
the sphere of culture and education. It was
through culture and education that a deep mass
nazification of the population was prepared and
carried out, secured by the promise of dividends
from the victory of the Nazi regime over
Russia, Nazi propaganda, internal violence and
terror, as well as an eight-year war with
the people who rebelled against Ukrainian Nazism.
Donbass.
 

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fskimospy

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A bee sting can be trouble, for some big trouble.

I was stung by a bee for the first time in 50+ years a few weeks ago, was skating a street and the bug got stuck at the collar of my T-shirt and stung me before I knew what was happening. I finished my skate (was almost done anyway), in pain, pulled out the stinger. Had a welt that got bigger for a day or two, itched and hurt a LOT! I used hydrocortisone cream and Loratadine antihistamine. Was mostly OK after a week. A few of those bites for someone sensitive to the venom could kill! I never had that bad a reaction to a bee sting before.
The last time I was stung by a bee was about 25 years ago when I stepped on one barefoot and my whole foot and lower leg swelled up - I don't carry around an epipen or anything like that but I am somewhat nervous as to what would happen if I were stung again or stung multiple times.
 
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Dave_5k

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Weird how so many countries around Russia align for mutual defense when this kind of stuff keeps happening decade after decade.
And now Russian state-controlled media explicitly lays out argument and step-by-step plan for genocide of 44 million Ukrainians ~ it is hard to accept why we should be allowing any business or trade to occur with such a state.
 

sandorski

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13:35 1
2 ria.ru-Private
RIA NEWS
to
active Nazis should be exemplarily and
exponentially punished. There must be a total
lustration. Any organizations that have
associated themselves with the practice of Nazism
have been liquidated and banned. However, in
addition to the top, a significant part of the
masses, which are passive Nazis, accomplices
of Nazism, are also guilty. They
supported and indulged Nazi power. The just
punishment of this part of the population is possible
only as bearing the inevitable hardships of
a just war against the Nazi system, waged as
carefully and prudently as possible in
relation to civilians. Further denazification
of this mass of the population consists
in re-education, which is achieved by
ideological repression (suppression) of Nazi
attitudes and strict censorship: not only in
the political sphere, but also necessarily in
the sphere of culture and education. It was
through culture and education that a deep mass
nazification of the population was prepared and
carried out, secured by the promise of dividends
from the victory of the Nazi regime over
Russia, Nazi propaganda, internal violence and
terror, as well as an eight-year war with
the people who rebelled against Ukrainian Nazism.
Donbass.

aka, we need to Genocide Them before They Genocide us, because "Nazi".

Projection.
 

fskimospy

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And now Russian state-controlled media explicitly lays out argument and step-by-step plan for genocide of 44 million Ukrainians ~ it is hard to accept why we should be allowing any business or trade to occur with such a state.
I wonder what the thinking behind that article was - they had to know that would play VERY poorly internationally and undermine their diplomatic efforts. They are going before the UN today to claim those people killed near Kiev weren't killed by Russia so it's a bit awkward to say that while your state media is calling for the mass slaughter of Ukrainians.

So, is this for internal consumption and they don't care about the international response? Did some guy go off the reservation and publish this contrary to the government's wishes? I don't get it.
 

K1052

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I wonder what the thinking behind that article was - they had to know that would play VERY poorly internationally and undermine their diplomatic efforts. They are going before the UN today to claim those people killed near Kiev weren't killed by Russia so it's a bit awkward to say that while your state media is calling for the mass slaughter of Ukrainians.

So, is this for internal consumption and they don't care about the international response? Did some guy go off the reservation and publish this contrary to the government's wishes? I don't get it.

I think it's not likely such a screed could make it into a state mouth piece without high up authorization. It also closely echos Putin "Ukraine is not a real place or people" speech he gave at the outset. Given what we are seeing in Ukraine I think we need to take this set of aims at face value.

It is certainly counterproductive on a diplomatic and military front since Ukraine will be less inclined to make compromises and nations with arms will be even more inclined to supply them to Ukraine.
 

Dave_5k

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I wonder what the thinking behind that article was - they had to know that would play VERY poorly internationally and undermine their diplomatic efforts. They are going before the UN today to claim those people killed near Kiev weren't killed by Russia so it's a bit awkward to say that while your state media is calling for the mass slaughter of Ukrainians.

So, is this for internal consumption and they don't care about the international response? Did some guy go off the reservation and publish this contrary to the government's wishes? I don't get it.
RIA is fully owned and operated by the Russian Federal government, and is focused on the domestic audience. This was designed for domestic consumption. While technically still an "opinion" piece, such opinion doesn't get headline status on RIA without government approval.

If someone were to go off the reservation, they would have been (very publicly) arrested.
 

fskimospy

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I think it's not likely such a screed could make it into a state mouth piece without high up authorization. It also closely echos Putin "Ukraine is not a real place or people" speech he gave at the outset. Given what we are seeing in Ukraine I think we need to take this set of aims at face value.

It is certainly counterproductive on a diplomatic and military front since Ukraine will be less inclined to make compromises and nations with arms will be even more inclined to supply them to Ukraine.
And in case Ukraine needed any additional motivation to resist I imagine Russia's stated desire to kill them all would do it.
 

K1052

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Lithuania has been very much in the lead on supporting Ukraine, off of Russian gas, providing very disproportionate (per-capita) support, and now cutting diplomatic ties:

Yea, same account says that Poland + the Baltics will seal their land borders with Belarus/Russia soon. We'll see but they have been pushing for that step.

With the Germans nuts in a vise over gas they might ok this instead.
 

K1052

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And in case Ukraine needed any additional motivation to resist I imagine Russia's stated desire to kill them all would do it.

Yeah there is a line between stiff Ukrainian resistance and making the entire population basically insane with rage. Gleefully crossing it has substantial risks for this undermanned invasion/occupation Russia has embarked upon.
 

Muse

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The last time I was stung by a bee was about 25 years ago when I stepped on one barefoot and my whole foot and lower leg swelled up - I don't carry around an epipen or anything like that but I am somewhat nervous as to what would happen if I were stung again or stung multiple times.
I go nowhere barefoot anymore.

I was playing golf maybe 8 years ago and witnessed from about 50 yards away a guy who had disturbed a flying insect nest in a tree (wasps likely, maybe hornets). He had dropped his club and was running full speed down the fairway screaming like mad, the insects harassing him all the way. I reported the event at the pro shop when I finished my round.
 
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Uhtrinity

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well that is interesting, this is probably part of Hunter Biden's nefarious plan

I work with bees, they don't just swarm in and attack, at least not the non Africanized version. The article said, "darted into a camp of Russian soldiers, who had been pestering them due to the lack of food". I bet the Russian soldiers were raiding hives for honey, the bees got agitated and stung the soldiers, to which three went into anaphylactic shock.

The ironic part would, these could have been 'Russian bees'
 
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Ajay

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Muse

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And now Russian state-controlled media explicitly lays out argument and step-by-step plan for genocide of 44 million Ukrainians ~ it is hard to accept why we should be allowing any business or trade to occur with such a state.
I think it's time for a guerrilla underground to form in Russia, saboteurs. Their arch nemesis would be, I suppose, the KGB, the elaborate security apparatus Putin's assembled. However, events, scattered and continuing disruptions of business as usual in Russia although ignored in the state controlled media (I am sure they would be) would be felt and known anyway. This and that would suddenly be disrupted, lights would go out, water wouldn't flow, your market would shut down for a while, factories would blow up or burn down, trains would be delayed and stop running for a few days... the possibilities are endless, and the Russian populace would sense that they have a terrorist underground. State media would spin it, if they had to, as the west, but Russians would know better. It wouldn't even be necessary for the underground to be organized. Cells can be subverted, i.e. that government security, the Russian analog of the US FBI. However, anyone who feels a need to poke the uber corrupt Russian establishment can and should do what they can, and many are in a position to do that. Just about anyone can be a thorn in the side in some way. This ethos, and the actions it spurs, if carried out long enough, could escalate even exponentially and would lead to the collapse of the regime. Mass protests can be dealt with brutally, people arrested, even shot. Sporadic and unpredictable seemingly spontaneous but disruptive events, enough of them, will lead to the downfall of the state.
 
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