Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

[whyitso]

I felt the need to quote this just in case whyitso decided to edit this.

I'll not edit it. You have to understand that these justifications impose restrictions: if you pay lip service to protecting your brothers, but start a genocide, everyone will know about it and the whole thing will fail. You can't bomb civilian targets, you have to treat civilians and prisoners of war humanely. To the enemy this looks like weakness, but it is a condition for expansion - these justifications must have grounds, be put into practice, otherwise neither the citizens, nor the soldiers, nor the liberated peoples will support it. What is written in the textbooks is not lies or pure propaganda - it is at least partially true.

 

[cytg111]

I'll not edit it. You have to understand that these justifications impose restrictions: if you pay lip service to protecting your brothers, but start a genocide, everyone will know about it and the whole thing will fail. You can't bomb civilian targets, you have to treat civilians and prisoners of war humanely. To the enemy this looks like weakness, but it is a condition for expansion - these justifications must have grounds, be put into practice, otherwise neither the citizens, nor the soldiers, nor the liberated peoples will support it. What is written in the textbooks is not lies or pure propaganda - it is at least partially true.

And by expansion you're talking about ~8000 meters per second right? Cause. That is what you gonna get.

 

[Racan]

Spain to train Ukrainian soldiers in use of tanks and anti-aircraft batteries

www.ukrinform.net

I hope that tank training refers to the Leopard 2.

 

[RnR_au]

With all the recent statements on Russia state TV in regards to the huge numbers of 'blacks' in the armed forces based on one bitchin' video (See! This means NATO is here!!) ... this picture made me chuckle...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1572142324909543428

 

[Racan]

Yes, from the history lessons at Russian school one can get the feeling that the largest country in the world became such by defending its fellow believers, brothers, and neighbors in trouble. Or, when repelling another aggression, it got back more than it had. If we talk about history before the 20th century, "everybody was like that at that times". Well, it is always possible to explain the war by strategic necessity, a threat from other great world powers.
But are there many countries where history textbooks condemn their country's actions in the past? I don't think there are many. Usually, condemnation occurs only in countries that were defeated and committed to national repentance, which is a rather painful condition.

There are plenty of classic justifications for the current military operation: to protect the Russian people, language and faith; to fight repugnant Nazism, the worship of Hitler's Nazi helpers, the desecration of the sacred memory of the great victory; to protect strategic interests; to counter a hostile alliance; "we did not want to, we had to"; to end a regime that spreads hatred among brotherly peoples.
To this is added the not very understandable to the average man, but very ambitious "end U.S. dominance in the world". This is apparently intended for the world community, to gather a coalition against the current state of affairs in the world order. Perhaps this is where things are best for Russia

Russias real justification for this war is Russian irredentism, nothing more nothing less.

 

[NTMBK]

Why the fuck are you all engaging with the war crime apologist? Just put his arse on ignore and stop letting him derail this thread. Maybe start a new "why Russian war crimes are fine actually" thread or something.

 

[NTMBK]

More destroyed and captured fascist tanks getting added to the list.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1571969790499069953

I hope they shove those captured tanks right up Putin's arse.

 

[whyitso]

Russias real justification for this war is Russian irredentism, nothing more nothing less.

You say that as if it were something bad. At least it is not genocide.

 

[cytg111]

You say that as if it were something bad.

Cause it is. Specially if you have to fuck over a huge amount of people around the globe to get it. Its about the people, not about imaginary lines drawn on a map.
Suppose I really wanted your natural gas. Why should I just not take it? I have decided its mine. I have the military prowess to take it. So why shouldnt I just roll in and turn it on myself?

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

1. you clearly want to prove Russia's guilt, not an objective study of the situation
2. I suppose there are crimes in any war. Ukrainian troops commit them just as much in regard to the "separatists" and the "colabarants," under which a significant percentage of the population of the war zone falls.
However, you are clearly willing to turn a blind eye to this. And you demand to pay attention only to the crimes of the Russian troops.
Of course, with the good purpose of helping the country - the victim of aggression. Maybe your media thinks the same way and they are not so objective in reporting information with the same good purpose?
3. As soon as Ukraine claims any evidence of Russian crimes, Western officials immediately strongly condemn them, 100% sure of the truthfulness of these claims. And they immediately allocate new sums of money from taxpayers' pockets for the war.
If Russia alleges crimes by the AFU against civilians, it is either hushed up or requires commissions to study the issue (and then it's quiet again).
4. There are probably some crimes, but they are blown out of proportion by Ukrainian and Western propaganda (with the freest and most objective media in the world, but Fox is an exception). Such as the allegations of genocide. The Russians are committing genocide against the Russians. But the Western average citizen will not get into the contradictions. He should pay and be happy that the Russians are being kicked in the teeth.

That's why I don't want to talk about this topic. Show for starters that you are willing to look at things objectively, rather than grasping at propaganda clichés. For example, comment on Strelkov's post that I posted earlier.

Know how to immediately and unquestioningly end all war crimes? Russia ends the war by going back to their own country.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

You say that as if it were something bad. At least it is not genocide.

By that logic, Kyiv should take Russia. Kyiv was the historic capitol of ancient Russia, yes?

 

[biostud]

I'll not edit it. You have to understand that these justifications impose restrictions: if you pay lip service to protecting your brothers, but start a genocide, everyone will know about it and the whole thing will fail. You can't bomb civilian targets, you have to treat civilians and prisoners of war humanely. To the enemy this looks like weakness, but it is a condition for expansion - these justifications must have grounds, be put into practice, otherwise neither the citizens, nor the soldiers, nor the liberated peoples will support it. What is written in the textbooks is not lies or pure propaganda - it is at least partially true.

What has made Germany prosper the most: Starting the 3rd Reich or being part of EU and its predecessors?

 

[zinfamous]

Yes, from the history lessons at Russian school one can get the feeling that the largest country in the world became such by defending its fellow believers, brothers, and neighbors in trouble. Or, when repelling another aggression, it got back more than it had. If we talk about history before the 20th century, "everybody was like that at that times". Well, it is always possible to explain the war by strategic necessity, a threat from other great world powers.
But are there many countries where history textbooks condemn their country's actions in the past? I don't think there are many. Usually, condemnation occurs only in countries that were defeated and committed to national repentance, which is a rather painful condition.

There are plenty of classic justifications for the current military operation: to protect the Russian people, language and faith; to fight repugnant Nazism, the worship of Hitler's Nazi helpers, the desecration of the sacred memory of the great victory; to protect strategic interests; to counter a hostile alliance; "we did not want to, we had to"; to end a regime that spreads hatred among brotherly peoples.
To this is added the not very understandable to the average man, but very ambitious "end U.S. dominance in the world". This is apparently intended for the world community, to gather a coalition against the current state of affairs in the world order. Perhaps this is where things are best for Russia

"Biggest Country in the World!"

The proud claim of those with nothing else.

 

[zinfamous]

No one wants a full mobilization, as the mass of untrained and poorly equipped soldiers will suffer mass casualties. But there are plenty of people in the country who have combat experience or suitable training, but do not want to participate in the war. If hostilities begin on Russian territory, including the newly annexed territories, it will be impossible for them to evade conscription on legal and moral grounds.

There are no new annexed territories. There will be new large graves for Little Green Men, though, and the world will be much better for it.

 

[zinfamous]

You say that as if it were something bad. At least it is not genocide.

The rest of the world has pretty much only ever seen Russians as little metastases. Wherever they go, tumors will eventually form if the disease isn't swiftly addressed.

This is not an incorrect observation.

 

[Zorba]

And they immediately allocate new sums of money from taxpayers' pockets for the war.

Oh poor Russia, Ukraine has friends that actually support it and Russia has China that is drooling over cheap minerals.

Most of what we've given Ukraine has been existing weapons, the difference is our shit actually works when it comes out stores.

 

[Michael]

From CNN today:

“Heavy fighting in Bakhmut continues as Russians press offensive in parts of Donetsk”

“Self-proclaimed Donetsk and Luhansk republics decide to hold referendums this week on joining Russia”

“Pro-Russia authorities in Zaporizhzhia join Donetsk and Luhansk in planning referendum on joining Russia”

“Resistance to Ukrainian forces continues around Lyman, Donetsk leader says”

“Kremlin-backed council in Kherson to hold vote on joining Russia”

Annexation and continued attempts to gain territory and hold off the Ukrainian advances.

 

[Zorba]

You say that as if it were something bad. At least it is not genocide.

As you've shown before, you reject the definition of genocide, which is the only reason you don't believe Russia is doing it. Russia's stated goal from day 1 in this war was Genocide. They are openly committing genocide everyday moving children from Ukraine to Russia, as shown on Russian media.

I really hope the Russian government got you at a discount, raj is more convincing than you.

 

[deustroop]

You think there is any path forward where this is not an integral part of your future? They will NEVER stop! Well maybe with the dissolution of Russia, hanging of Putin, reparations and reforms towards democracy. Cant terrorize Russia if there is no Russia.

That's close . The uber reality is that the prsent federation is an internal matter whose member Republics will fall away where they may. There are some cracks already and a military surrender which is one condition for peace, will likely generate a greater number of independent states. But one cannot ignore the gravity that Moscow exerts over the current federation members . There will always be a Russia but with the West's perseverance, one with a reformed political culture.
Ahh, but that thought unearths the major stumbling block to any reasonable political reform--the Ruskies love a dictator. They never met one whose ass they wouldn't kiss.Dictatorship is in their DNA. Look at the more recent idols of these savages-the last Tsar, Lenin, Stalin, the merry fools from Khrushchev through perestroika to Gorbachev and then, post the Soviet Union, Herr Pukin.
Plato yearned for what we now identify as a benevolent dictator. This perhaps is a final solution.Where would one be found ? Certainly much more thought needs to be put into the political environment surroundiing any peace terms imposed.

 

[fskimospy]

1. you clearly want to prove Russia's guilt, not an objective study of the situation

Irrelevant. I’m asking YOU what would convince YOU. My views don’t matter.

2. I suppose there are crimes in any war. Ukrainian troops commit them just as much in regard to the "separatists" and the "colabarants," under which a significant percentage of the population of the war zone falls.
However, you are clearly willing to turn a blind eye to this. And you demand to pay attention only to the crimes of the Russian troops.

No. You’re inventing demands I never made and accusing me of things I haven’t done.

Don’t get off topic. What evidence will you accept?

Of course, with the good purpose of helping the country - the victim of aggression. Maybe your media thinks the same way and they are not so objective in reporting information with the same good purpose?
3. As soon as Ukraine claims any evidence of Russian crimes, Western officials immediately strongly condemn them, 100% sure of the truthfulness of these claims. And they immediately allocate new sums of money from taxpayers' pockets for the war.
If Russia alleges crimes by the AFU against civilians, it is either hushed up or requires commissions to study the issue (and then it's quiet again).

It doesn’t matter if you think western media is mean to you

4. There are probably some crimes, but they are blown out of proportion by Ukrainian and Western propaganda (with the freest and most objective media in the world, but Fox is an exception). Such as the allegations of genocide. The Russians are committing genocide against the Russians. But the Western average citizen will not get into the contradictions. He should pay and be happy that the Russians are being kicked in the teeth.

Great, a good start. Now that you think there are ‘probably some crimes’, which ones seem credible to you?

That's why I don't want to talk about this topic. Show for starters that you are willing to look at things objectively, rather than grasping at propaganda clichés. For example, comment on Strelkov's post that I posted earlier.

That’s not why you don’t want to talk about it, haha. But yes, I’ve made it very clear that I think Russia is engaging in systematic war crimes. You appear to think otherwise. Since you claim to want the truth, what evidence will you accept?

By the way the reason I’m asking you this is because in cases like yours I’m confident the answer is ‘nothing’, or some set of ludicrous conditions. Usually they rely on inventing a new reason to discount every piece of evidence but if you tell me beforehand what your conditions are you expose yourself.

So - what evidence will you accept?

 

[Perknose]

1. you clearly want to prove Russia's guilt, not an objective study of the situation
2. I suppose there are crimes in any war. Ukrainian troops commit them just as much in regard to the "separatists" and the "colabarants," under which a significant percentage of the population of the war zone falls.
However, you are clearly willing to turn a blind eye to this. And you demand to pay attention only to the crimes of the Russian troops.
Of course, with the good purpose of helping the country - the victim of aggression. Maybe your media thinks the same way and they are not so objective in reporting information with the same good purpose?
3. As soon as Ukraine claims any evidence of Russian crimes, Western officials immediately strongly condemn them, 100% sure of the truthfulness of these claims. And they immediately allocate new sums of money from taxpayers' pockets for the war.
If Russia alleges crimes by the AFU against civilians, it is either hushed up or requires commissions to study the issue (and then it's quiet again).
4. There are probably some crimes, but they are blown out of proportion by Ukrainian and Western propaganda (with the freest and most objective media in the world, but Fox is an exception). Such as the allegations of genocide. The Russians are committing genocide against the Russians. But the Western average citizen will not get into the contradictions. He should pay and be happy that the Russians are being kicked in the teeth.

That's why I don't want to talk about this topic. Show for starters that you are willing to look at things objectively, rather than grasping at propaganda clichés. For example, comment on Strelkov's post that I posted earlier.

So . . . no proof. Got it.

 

[Perknose]

If hostilities begin on Russian territory, including the newly annexed territories,

Do you even see the complete lack of internal logic here?

 

[repoman0]

Why the fuck are you all engaging with the war crime apologist? Just put his arse on ignore and stop letting him derail this thread. Maybe start a new "why Russian war crimes are fine actually" thread or something.

It’s not even the same person behind the account anymore, or maybe there are more troll farm buddies proofreading his posts. Look at the level of English literacy when he started posting here vs lately.

 

[Roger Wilco]

Strange things afoot in Russia. Lots of rumors swirling today.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1572210922088988676

 

[kage69]

That's why I don't want to talk about this topic. Show for starters that you are willing to look at things objectively, rather than grasping at propaganda clichés. For example, comment on Strelkov's post that I posted earlier.

You can't defend what you preach because you are both wrong and a coward. Pretty simple really.

You have had multiple articles linked that show you wrong, but all you want to do is quote a war criminal like Strelkov? That's weak shit even by trumptard standards. Your English is different now, I guess the old whyitso getting owned so much here made your manager give the account to someone else?

Typical pussy Russian apologist. Run coward, run. Just keep watching; it's important you see the rest of your sick people suffer humiliating defeats. Know that the rest of the world is watching Russia wither away with glee.