Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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Michael

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This is where US Army Corp of Engineers and the equivalent in other NATO nations need to get as many power stations up and running as possible.

Other possible solutions are solar panel and battery combinations, the type used for RV and such. They can keep phone running for days and power small space heaters to keep one room above freezing. Charge during the day when the power is on or the sun is up. Use at night when coldest. With the amount of money being thrown at the country, millions of those would make a big difference.
 
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K1052

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I think NATO countries should think of reintroducing these kinds of sort range gun-based AD systems. With the proliferation of drones, it's a lot cheaper to shoot shells than missiles.


This is the way a lot of anti-drone and C-RAM efforts in the west are headed. Missiles are just too expensive.
Ukraine might want something like Skynex and Skyguard 3 from Rheinmetall.

The Gepards aren't a bad stopgap but they could easily use at least another hundred of them.
 
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I think NATO countries should think of reintroducing these kinds of sort range gun-based AD systems. With the proliferation of drones, it's a lot cheaper to shoot shells than missiles.


Problem right now is ammo. The Germans let their stores go down a lot. Each Gepard needs like a hundred thousands rounds. Hopefully Switzerland is over their aversion of Swiss munitions being used in Ukraine, I think they were the ones making most of it.

The good news is 35mm programmable rounds are much easier to produce than Javelins, MANPADs, etc. I'm sure they are hurrying. No one wants to use million dollar missiles to hit a drone, and the anti-drone guns sometimes have issues with range. Why I've been wanting C-RAM set up over there since early summer.
 
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Problem right now is ammo. The Germans let their stores go down a lot. Each Gepard needs like a hundred thousands rounds. Hopefully Switzerland is over their aversion of Swiss munitions being used in Ukraine, I think they were the ones making most of it.

The good news is 35mm programmable rounds are much easier to produce than Javelins, MANPADs, etc. I'm sure they are hurrying. No one wants to use million dollar missiles to hit a drone, and the anti-drone guns sometimes have issues with range. This is what I've been wanting C-RAM set up over there since early summer.

The Swiss said no but production was secured in Norway.
 

kage69

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Damn, that is one lucky pilot. Getting smacked that low to the ground in a vintage jet? I'd go surrender to the guys who shot you down man, you aren't repeating that kind of luck in another poorly maintained sukhoi. Or you'll get handed a (shitty) rifle and a shovel, get sent to hang out with now armed convicts.
 
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This is the way a lot of anti-drone and C-RAM efforts in the west are headed. Missiles are just too expensive.
Ukraine might want something like Skynex and Skyguard 3 from Rheinmetall.

The Gepards aren't a bad stopgap but they could easily use at least another hundred of them.
How long until we visit the WW1/2 era airburst style AA?
 
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Michael

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CNN is reporting claims by Ukraine that Russia is evacuating their better troops from Kherson.

I thought one of the points of the operation was to isolate and capture/destroy these troops and that the crossings were in range to be hit.

Not much news at all from Ukraine in that area, but if the civilian population and the best troops get out, they will be recapturing empty buildings that the Russians will then shell from the other side of the river.
 
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K1052

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CNN is reporting claims by Ukraine that Russia is evacuating their better troops from Kherson.

I thought one of the points of the operation was to isolate and capture/destroy these troops and that the crossings were in range to be hit.

Not much news at all from Ukraine in that area, but if the civilian population and the best troops get out, they will be recapturing empty buildings that the Russians will then shell from the other side of the river.

The crossings are taking fire. A group of Russian propagandists got killed a couple days ago waiting for the ferry. The Russians just anrent showing all their losses.
 
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